It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the people

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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby Spazzmaticus » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:28 pm

So... I guess they're not my stalls at all? I never "owned" them in the first place? And that isn't an actual response to my statement, is it? I'm not quite sure about what you are trying to say. Do you disagree with what I'm saying? I said the low population was making stalls obsolete since sales plummet on a server without customers. As such it makes more sense to make the game more appealing by reworking bad mechanics. Am I wrong?
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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby jwhitehorn » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:12 pm

Adjusting the stalls to 300s/week & 25% Tax on all sold goods fixes balances the stalls better both NOW and when the server pop comes back.

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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby Spazzmaticus » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:20 pm

I seem to remember 300s being the old weekly rate. How do you figure that it'll help both now and in the long run? Personally I'd suggest dropping the 15% tax altogether since it does nothing but stifle P2P trade. There's very little incentive for me to buy iron from a 2nd party and resell in the stall if the taxation eats up my entire profit margin (as I've mentioned before).
What would you say the motivation is for changing the rate to 300/ week and 25% tax?
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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby jwhitehorn » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:45 pm

I'd say it is the opposite. The more the stalls "Take" the more it encourages players to trade independently of them. It may affect the stall owners to "resell" goods but it increases their motivation to work deals and/or establishes an underground market of goods for players who wouldn't own stalls which is good.

300s should have never been changed to 1000s. We are simply reverting it back to a fair and manageable amount of silver per week. With the tax a player literally has to sell 1,150s worth of goods just to break even. If you are selling bars @ 65 silver like they do on Roanoke then you pretty much have to sell 20 Iron bars a week just to break even on your stall. Running a smelter 15-20 times every single week just to break even is silly.

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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby Spazzmaticus » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:55 pm

So you're saying that a high taxation and lower rent would make stalls cheaper to lease but also less profitable to run? That's certainly a valid point. While it would make 2nd hand stall selling unprofitable it would certainly give traditional bartering a shot in the arm.
The rent would have to be tuned just right, though. Overdo it and stalls would essentially lose their value if the taxation isn't well tuned to the economic climate. Maybe a variable tax rate, as suggested before, would be the way to go? Either way, I can see how what you're saying would make stalls a lot better for small time transactions rather than mass production.
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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby Darwoth » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:44 am

i am about to ***** a number of my stalls because there is not enough trade happening on jamestown to support even half of the stalls that exist, and i am tired of paying an extra 7k a week for nothing. at this point stalls are little more than a money pit and novelty, was holding onto them as an investment for the future, but why bother since they will just end up adding another 50 stalls or some such, not worth the expense.
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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby goblin_babe » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:47 am

well if people stop killing noobs then it may actually start populating the servers, which in return makes you money in the stalls. you get my drift? how does one start really getting salem left right and center.if all their month/s work building skills, gluttony and there actual home/plot when all they have left is a skeleton?it doesn't make you wanna stay playing on.. I was in Boston last night started to chat to some ppl, two ppl I ask hi how's it going what your name, one said *****.. :roll: and the other asked if I was a noob or an alt? um when is a noob not a noob?? what does that have to do with being nice and getting to know ppl? paranoid much? asking if I was a alt? who cares. well that's my worthless rant,
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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby RuneNL » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:12 am

goblin_babe wrote:well if people stop killing noobs then it may actually start populating the servers, which in return makes you money in the stalls. you get my drift? how does one start really getting salem left right and center.if all their month/s work building skills, gluttony and there actual home/plot when all they have left is a skeleton?it doesn't make you wanna stay playing on.. I was in Boston last night started to chat to some ppl, two ppl I ask hi how's it going what your name, one said *****.. :roll: and the other asked if I was a noob or an alt? um when is a noob not a noob?? what does that have to do with being nice and getting to know ppl? paranoid much? asking if I was a alt? who cares. well that's my worthless rant,


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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby goblin_babe » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:27 am

ive been playing long enough to know the rules so thanks for the advice but I don't need it. there has been some very nice people, ive also met in salem .. I guess in the real world you get assholes too:D
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Re: It's getting hard to pay the stall fees with half the pe

Postby Thor » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:22 am

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