Balance Suggestions

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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby dageir » Tue May 07, 2013 11:52 am

Oh, the Candy gang. I dont pay much attention to them. They are on the wrong server. Still as long as people place brazier-walls aswell as other walls, there will be balance in time. The only thing that can go wrong now is if the devs yield to the masses and "up" the purity again or if there is some flaw in the purity system (again) that allows the building of titans. A sleeping titan is a good titan. An acitve titan is a good titan because he might not be a titan for long.
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby Potjeh » Tue May 07, 2013 12:38 pm

Nobody uses any combat characters on Plymouth, titans or not, so yeah, your dead server is irrelevant to the discussion. Meanwhile titans on other servers can merrily massacre their way through the game, as the only thing that can affect them is brazier hits.
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby Dallane » Tue May 07, 2013 3:51 pm

Potjeh wrote:Yeah, and people who put in the same exact amount of effort now as you did then will get to about 1/3rd of your humours. Doesn't sound very fair to me.


Its not at all for either side but a wipe would fix everyone's problem
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby MagicManICT » Tue May 07, 2013 4:08 pm

Dallane wrote:
Potjeh wrote:Yeah, and people who put in the same exact amount of effort now as you did then will get to about 1/3rd of your humours. Doesn't sound very fair to me.


Its not at all for either side but a wipe would fix everyone's problem


I agree with this, but the server isn't even close to ready for this. Question is, if people dig out those titans and use them in brazier fire, is a wipe even necessary? I don't disagree with you on the work part, Dallane, but abuse of bugs is still abuse of bugs (or in this case, broken mechanics).

If you're toy is broken, it's okay to cry when Mommy takes it away. However, we're all big boys and we should be able to recognize when something is dangerous to play with. ;) Seriously, though. It's like organized Magic competition. You're familiar with that game. How many tournament formats can I play in where I can use a dozen Moxes? None. Nobody will let you do it in a casual game, either, because it just ***** up the game and takes all the fun out of it. Same goes here with super characters. Games are supposed to be fun for all participants. What fun is a game when you're friends pack up and leave because you just abuse them?

If groups like CG can get away with running around with 400 humor characters, then there's possibly something else broken, either the server's player base (not building up enough braziers) or else the ability to store way too much crap (alt vaulting). Suppose there could just be that many abandoned claims around with tons of high purity humus allowing them to grow a lot of food, but that will eventually run out (again assuming there's enough braziers around to keep whittling away at those humors).
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby Potjeh » Tue May 07, 2013 4:37 pm

Brazier destruction isn't the only use for titans.
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby L33LEE » Tue May 07, 2013 6:23 pm

dageir wrote:Oh, the Candy gang. I dont pay much attention to them. They are on the wrong server. Still as long as people place brazier-walls aswell as other walls, there will be balance in time. The only thing that can go wrong now is if the devs yield to the masses and "up" the purity again or if there is some flaw in the purity system (again) that allows the building of titans. A sleeping titan is a good titan. An acitve titan is a good titan because he might not be a titan for long.



Brazier perm damage + basic damage WAS BALANCED TO THE WAY PURITY WORKS.

Right now, even 5 x 300 bile chars, cannot raid a small base with 20-30 braziers, who has 1 person inside using stomp.

Reducing purity, and the ability to make titans, has in essence UNBALANCED THE GAME, as no new players will be raiding anyone with 3+ braziers FOR A LONG LONG TIME !

The change to the purity system ***** over everything(now the whole game needs reworking, hp rates, damage rates, damage calculation etc etc etc), All they needed to do was add a new stronger wall, and some traps and it would have been balanced. (for when people started to hit 500+ biles in high amounts)
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby Etherdrifter » Tue May 07, 2013 9:54 pm

I strongly disagree.

The use of titans is indeed not only for the removal of braziers, but for the removal of residents when the walls are down. They might lose their BB, however their YB and Blood still make them unbalanced beyond belief.
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby Ass_Kraken » Tue May 07, 2013 9:55 pm

Etherdrifter wrote:I strongly disagree.

The use of titans is indeed not only for the removal of braziers, but for the removal of residents when the walls are down. They might lose their BB, however their YB and Blood still make them unbalanced beyond belief.

Pretty sure it drains other humors, unless I'm mistaken.
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby L33LEE » Tue May 07, 2013 10:18 pm

Etherdrifter wrote:I strongly disagree.

The use of titans is indeed not only for the removal of braziers, but for the removal of residents when the walls are down. They might lose their BB, however their YB and Blood still make them unbalanced beyond belief.


a Single 300 humor character cannot sustain brazier fire from 20+ braziers for longer than 5-7 seconds, thats giving a a good amount of time to run incase of a crit.

a SINGLE STOMP, will totally ***** them and almost ensure 1 of them goes down.

The sad fact is, people who comment on base defenses, titans etc, have no ***** clue how brazier damage works, how raiding works, or how much effort / risk is involved in the titans they made for raiding.

All you carebears just ***** the game realistically.

PS: 1 brazier every 5 tiles is NOT DEFENSES, you might as well just not even bother building them.
PPS: I request ANY PERSON COMMENTING/COMPLAINING ON TITANS, REAL BASE RAIDING, HOW BRAZIERS WORK, BRAZIER DAMAGE, ETC, To show me either,
1) Your current base you own(because i bet its a **** fest) or lost to a raider (Bet that was a **** fest also)
2) A high bile character you own (150+ being very generous here with the numbers)
3) A REAL DEFENDED BASE YOU HAVE PERSONALLY RAIDED with 15+ braziers within a single target range (Real base defenses)

As for my request, i bet none of you kids who rage about all this stuff etc requiring balance etc can provide me with any of which i have asked for.
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Re: Balance Suggestions

Postby Yourgrandmother » Tue May 07, 2013 10:37 pm

Why is it always the noobs who make stupid suggestions on end-game when they have zero clue on what they are talking about?

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