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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:56 pm

Ikpeip wrote:we instead just shriek like hysterical, feces-flinging monkeys?


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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby malaclypse » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:00 pm

Claeyt wrote:Jorb. You're suffering from what a lot of conservative males are feeling.

You fear the future. You fear the changes in your country and language over the last 40 years. You live in a country with a nearly one party system over the last 70 years, and don't believe you can change your country's path through Democracy. You feel powerless standing in the rising tide of the world while your country fades.


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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Ghilliedhu » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:10 pm

Ikpeip wrote:Good afternoon,

Is this the result of your new, Generation Y society? We have overthrown the Evil Christians and entered a new Age where instead of reasoned debate, we instead just shriek like hysterical, feces-flinging monkeys? Rushing to personal insults and failing to consider (much less attempt to refute) the opposing opinion is a clear sign you are unable to argue from a logical, rational bedrock. You attacking Jorb as being intolerant, based solely on his religious views, is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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I 100% equate the subscription to anti-progressive ideologies like fundamental christianity with that of nazism. While christianity hasn't killed 6 million jews, I think it has the capacity to be just as dangerous as a vessel of outright racism and oppression. Affiliating yourself with antiprogressive ideologies as well as fundamental christianity is directly affiliating yourself with ignorance and racism, even if you don't subscribe to these thoughts you are indirectly supporting those who do. It's evil and it's unacceptable.

Is it hypocritical for an anti-racism activist to hate racists and actively insult them? Maybe. Is it wrong? I don't think so.

I simply do not have the patience to write out 10 page effort posts in order to refute complete and utter *****. Using strong and direct rhetoric may not be the professional route, but I am not arguing with a professional and I am not arguing in a professional environment, nor am I representing anybody but myself. I am ranting at a misguided man with opinions that are generally accepted as being officially and ultimately refuted by both logic and human rights in the west. That's all.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Ikpeip » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:21 am

Good evening,

Ghilliedhu wrote:I 100% equate the subscription to anti-progressive ideologies like fundamental christianity with that of nazism. While christianity hasn't killed 6 million jews, I think it has the capacity to be just as dangerous as a vessel of outright racism and oppression.

You are also 100% incorrect. Nazism was enabled by the complete failure of the progressive, ineffective, Weimar Republic. Nazism was also quite incompatible with Christianity, as Christian values were a hindrance to their racist aims.

Ghilliedhu wrote:...but I am not arguing with a professional and I am not arguing in a professional environment, nor am I representing anybody but myself.

You may only be representing yourself, but you are doing so poorly. What is your goal? Even the most generous assessment would say you're fighting hatred with hatred. More realistically, you're just exposing how shallow, poorly thought-out, and indefensible your positions are.

Ghilliedhu wrote:I am ranting at a misguided man with opinions that are generally accepted as being officially and ultimately refuted by both logic and human rights in the west. That's all.

Claiming that his opinions have been "officially refuted" is not sufficient. If you're not going to argue the point yourself, you should at least provide the sources which do.

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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Claeyt » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:41 am

malaclypse wrote:
Claeyt wrote:Jorb. You're suffering from what a lot of conservative males are feeling.

You fear the future. You fear the changes in your country and language over the last 40 years. You live in a country with a nearly one party system over the last 70 years, and don't believe you can change your country's path through Democracy. You feel powerless standing in the rising tide of the world while your country fades.


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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby CockyBastard » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:58 am

Wournos wrote:
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Potjeh wrote:Anyone going around declaring their gender without any prompt whatsoever deserves all the sexist comments they get.


Just like females wearing short skirts deserve to be raped by horny men. :lol:

I do hope this is terrible sarcasm. There is nothing that riles me up more than "horny men" thinking it's ok to force themselves on women. Personally, I'd torture their sorry asses slowly to the point where they will never be able to use their "precious brain" ever again.
I can put up with a lot because I usually ignore immature and insecure male behaviour. But joking about rape? No.

I believe the statistics of women being sexually harassed in any form is around 1/5 here in Sweden. Way too high in my opinion.

Was certain Juilian Assange had left Sweden, I did hear some people wanted him to return though :)

MaoZeDong wrote:Pro-tip : Don't let on that you're a girl and you won't be given extra attention.
On that note, why would you need to even hint at being girl in the first place?


So in Vent or console game chat girls should put on a fake gruff voice or pretend to be prepubescent boys?

jorb wrote:Feudalism in its continental forms is entirely alien to the Swedish yeoman tradition, and Sweden has never known serfdom.

I take issue with this

Swedish Empire Wikipedia wrote:After the death of Gustavus Adolphus in 1632, the empire was, over lengthy periods, controlled by part of the high nobility, most prominently the Oxenstierna family, acting as tutors for minor regents. The interests of the high nobility contrasted with the uniformity policy, i.e., the upholding of the traditional equality in status of the Swedish estates favoured by the kings and peasantry. In territories acquired during the periods of de facto noble rule, serfdom was not abolished, and there was also a trend to set up respective estates in Sweden proper. The Great Reduction of 1680 put an end to these efforts of the nobility and required them to return estates once gained from the crown to the king. Serfdom, however, remained in force in the dominions acquired in the Holy Roman Empire and in Swedish Estonia, where a consequent application of the uniformity policy was hindered by the treaties by which they were gained.


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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:38 am

Ghilliedhu wrote:While christianity hasn't killed 6 million jews, [...]


Might want to check the numbers from the Inquisition. If it's not six million, it was up in that order of magnitude.

CockyBastard wrote:Was certain Juilian Assange had left Sweden, I did hear some people wanted him to return though


I believe that would be the local law enforcement. And of course, being the allies that they are with the US, I'm sure that he'd be quickly deported to answer for "espionage crimes."
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby Wournos » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:10 am

MaoZeDong wrote:On that note, why would you need to even hint at being girl in the first place?

Because it is really irritating when being referred to as Sir all the time. If people would just stop assuming every damn gamer is a guy and get "upset" when they're not there would be no issues.
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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby colesie » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:33 pm

Wournos wrote:
MaoZeDong wrote:On that note, why would you need to even hint at being girl in the first place?

Because it is really irritating when being referred to as Sir all the time. If people would just stop assuming every damn gamer is a guy and get "upset" when they're not there would be no issues.

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Re: Misogyny in online gaming

Postby jorb » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:04 pm

CockyBastard wrote:I take issue with this

In that case you should probably reread the passage you yourself quoted. The fact that Swedish Kings did not aim to revolutionize and overthrow the established laws of lands gained for the Crown outre-mer in favor of calculated progressive pattern constitutions does nothing to change the circumstances of Sweden proper. Furthermore, the Crown certainly held the ambition to end serfdom in the Baltic domains.

Serfdom may have not existed in Sweden but the similar Kronohemman existed well into the 19th century.

I am afraid that your cursory wikipedia session leads you far astray on the matter, though I commend you for trying. The legal form you speak of is simply a heritable right to lease, farm and live on otherwise Royal lands. It is a privilege, not an imposition, and tenant farming != serfdom. To the great surprise of no one, Nordisk Familjebok has an article.

(Though it deserves to be mentioned that feudalism does have an undeservedly bad reputation. Serfs kept some 3/4:s of their earnings, which is obviously quite the leap up from the inverse proportion that my overlords allow me to keep.)

I'm not even going to address the fallacy of an argument about going back to the Gold Standard. There's a reason we left it, and it involved the controlled wealth of the world resting in the hands of the few.

I can only strike my bestest and most Buddha-like smile at this.

*sigh*

Your country is run by Megabanks, your middle class is melting away into poverty, and wealth inequality has never been more skewed in the entire -- short -- history of your nation. Explain to me slowly why you want a small moneyed elite entirely dominated by big banks, corporate interests and war profiteers to be in control of the intrinsically worthless paper notes that depreciate to the tune of some 2-5-10-15% per year -- depending on how hard Mad Ben arbitrarily decides to run his bubblejet -- to gin up the economy on more cheap money to blow financial bubbles, play recovery, get Bronco-Bamby re-elected, and keep kicking the inevitable can of Federal bankruptcy further down the road for another year or two? Why -- exactly -- is it a progressive value that Goldman Sachs and the Morgan banks should have their vampire squid tentacles invested in the pockets of all holders of dollar denominated personal wealth?

You live in a decrepit empire, increasingly being eaten away from the core by the corrosive forces of democracy and socialism, that maintains power and control over a vast array of tributary vassal states across the seas, in defence of the Rockefeller oil interests and the Petrodollar, by sending unmanned Cherubim of steel and death to execute dissidents from 10 000 feet. The grand, televised drama of your elections is nothing more than a glitzy circus that your puppet masters put on to keep you lulled in the pleasant illusion that freedom still rings from every mountain top and from coast to shining coast, but fundamentally the house doesn't gamble, as all contestants are chosen and selected in advance, in secret board rooms by gray eminences and committees whom you will never see, much less learn the names of. Whoever wins, you can be certain that the Bohemian Grove, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg group, and the Council on Foreign Relations are still in session, and that the plundering of the American people through fascist bailouts and corporate rackets will continue unabated, the entire sordid affair financed by currency debasement that would make Diocletian blush, confiscatory taxation and the debt financing logic of a gambling addict.

Son, freedom and responsible government died in America when Lincoln's armies marched across the Potomac to burn, plunder and rape their way through cotton states and constitutions. Your natural aristocracy -- the legitimate heirs of Washington and Jefferson -- struck its last, gallant blow when Pickett charged at Gettysburg, and the history of the United States since has been the history not of a republic but of an increasingly terrifying corporate empire seeking imperial control and profits over ever greater swathes of the world, trampling nations and peoples underfoot on the long march toward the distant, alluring mirage of Orwellian world government.

How many fascist Juntas in South-America has your CIA put into power? How many staged coups to subvert popular dissent in foreign countries? Operations Ajax, PBSUCCESS? Gladio? How many disappeared or executed dissidents? How many killed in "interventions" in small, forgotten necks of the woods that you didn't even bother to learn the names of before you started raining death over? Panama, Guatemala, Colombia, Mexico, Iran, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea? How many Banana Wars to keep the world safe for the profits of the United Fruit Company?

And you have the nerve to speak to me about responsible government, the greatness of your representative democracy, and about how I promote the power of a wealthy few?

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