Misogyny in online gaming

[malaclypse]

Liberalism:

Jorb's "Natural order":

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[ysbryd]

Dammit I need more popcorn!

[Jalpha]

I like it how it's true because you say so.

[jorb]

Jorb's "Natural order"

Close, but no cigar.

^^

[malaclypse]

Close, but no cigar.

^^

Ah yes, the good old days when entire nations of people slaved away for the opulence of the king. Uppity women and people of color, amiright?

I'm sorry that the progress of the modern world has inconvenienced your white supremacist patriarchy. (not)

EDIT: Speaking of slaving away... shouldn't you be coding?

[Ghilliedhu]

I truly hope you are trolling because with every post in this thread you are losing more and more respect from this community

You, on the other hand, enjoy it in opulence, as wishing cancer and death upon dissidents is merely the liberal way of saying hello.

I never wished cancer or death upon you, I said you ARE cancer. You are the personification of malignant, festering disease and suffering and everything you know and believe in bleeds this repulsive endemic of thought. I also said that I sincerely hope that you never breed and that you continue to be the asperger-ridden, basement dwelling, misfit you are and never have the opportunity to share these disgusting opinions with anybody who might have the misfortune of having to take you seriously.

You are now officially a failure at both your joke of a game-development career and at being a good person in general.

[jorb]

Ah yes, the good old days when entire nations of people slaved away for the opulence of the king. Uppity women and people of color, amiright?

I'm sorry that the progress of the modern world has inconvenienced your white supremacist patriarchy. (not)

Much better, indeed, to slave away for the megabanks, Goldman Sachs, the corporate state, and the oh-so-meaningful and omnipresent parties of representative democracy....

LOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOLOLO! You ignorant little fool.

So.... tell me... who'd you vote for? Chocolate, or vanilla? Does your drone warfare in broken nations across the seas feel better, now that you voted for it? ^^

[malaclypse]

Ah yes, the good old days when entire nations of people slaved away for the opulence of the king. Uppity women and people of color, amiright?

I'm sorry that the progress of the modern world has inconvenienced your white supremacist patriarchy. (not)

Much better, indeed, to slave away for the megabanks, Goldman Sachs, the corporate state, and the oh-so-meaningful and omnipresent parties of representative democracy....

LOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOLOLO! You ignorant little fool.

I'm quite aware of the evils of capitalism. But that doesn't make me wish for older structures of oppression. For my money, that is the ignorant, small-minded, and foolish opinion.

So.... tell me... who'd you vote for? Chocolate, or vanilla? Does your drone warfare in broken nations across the seas feel better, now that you voted for it? ^^

I don't vote for either wing of the demopublicans. I have always and will continue to actively resist warfare, drone or otherwise, whenever and wherever possible. You're funny, with your silly little assumptions.

[Mereni]

I'm going to have to go with Jorb on this one. There definitely seemed to be more respect for people for one another in the older times pictured in these paintings. Whether that was Actually true, I don't know, but it sure doesn't seem to be true now. Not on the internet.

[Claeyt]

Sorry for the wall of words guys but I gotta respond,

what edifices of behaviors or morality do you believe progressives tore down and deconstructed

I find the public expressions of modernity to be shallow, vain, stale, technocratic, petty, animalistic, lonely, ugly, egotistic, spiritually lacking and devoid of meaning, and feel instead far more comfortable in what I perceive to be the vertically oriented, familial, richer, fuller, and more integrated world view and symbolism of what can broadly be described as the old order, that is to say traditional, Christian and Monarchical European societies as they appeared -- rooted in the soil of their making -- before the murderous ravages of the 20th century. When I lament Jacobin deconstruction, it is precisely the deconstruction of traditional, legitimate authority and natural order I lament, i.e. the systematic subversion of symbols such as those of -- most visibly -- throne and altar, and their replacement instead with the symbols of money and the guillotine, that is to say corporate neo-mercantilism and democracy.

I agree that modern society can be shallow, vain, stale, etc...., but it can also be vibrant, colorful, an explosion of new things at all points, a world based on the possibility of any future success for everyone, a chaotic mess of dizzying disorder with tastes and world views of people's own making to the benefit of all mankind. Finding decency and nobility within it is easy if you know where to look. These older orders of throne and altar were closed societies of elitism's which did not share power, advance the great endeavor of the growth of human knowledge for all members of all societies, or make better the human condition for all people. They closed the old monarchies of Europe to the world, stagnated, became nothing but ornamental monuments to the past and were replaced for better or worse by the advance of democracy and capitalism which brought their own problems, but also brought an open society and new worlds, both literal and philosophical.

There is no such thing as a 'Natural Order'. It is a creation of culture and is moldable within the society as the last 100 years of social change have proven. It's natural to see order in the past, where now you see chaos, but It was just as chaotic then. There was the chaos of famine, war, disease. There was the uncertainty of the possibilities for your children or a change in their station in life. There was the oppressive weights of throne and altar withholding the hopes of the betterment of all.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Europeans, Their history of democratic change is so boring and unvaried compared to America. They only have the French revolution, the English Civil War, and the fall of Communism for examples of democratic birth. Here in the United States we recognize democracy as a continuous change within the country and never set in place. Our voting rights change every year, it seems. Not only can we can vote for our Politicians, we also vote for our Police Chiefs, our Judges, our School Councils. We even vote for our Coroners.

Democracy is born, not made or given and in all births there is blood and protest. The Democratic aspects to the French Revolution, it's Jacobian deconstruction, and it's "guillotine" can be explained with these quotes about the birth of the exact same 'Revolution' at different times in history:

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” - Frederick Douglass

and

"I was not the one to invent lies: they were created in a society divided by class and each of us inherited lies when we were born. It is not by refusing to lie that we will abolish lies: it is by eradicating class by any means necessary.
—Jean Paul Sartre, Dirty Hands: act 5, scene 3. 1963"

I do not believe in democracy, nor in human equality before any yardstick other than God. The forms, concepts, expressions and internal contradictions of liberal secular religion and theology are not mine, and I take no interest in them. I consider beauty to be an objective category, and a human value of no lesser an importance than that of truth or justice.

To state a preference towards the negation of democracy is to state the end of the growth of knowledge, the end of the birth of technology, the end of the freedom of thought, the end of a pluralistic world and acceptance of all people as fully human, and finally the end of the human condition.

Within this world, across all cultures beauty is subjective. You're showing nothing but a preference for the objective definition of beauty as defined by 'Western' thought and philosophy. Open your mind to what defines beauty and you'll see that you are given this choice of what beauty is, as is everyone else and their choice is as equal as yours.

I believe that God in his image made men and women separate and distinct. I recognize the fundamental distinctness of archetypes such as 'Mother' and 'Father', and I do not believe that human life or understanding is served by reducing such wondrous categories of structured reality to an undifferentiated muddle of indistinct chaos, i.e. "equality". It follows that I feel no particular compulsion to treat men and women "equally", but on the contrary always with respect for the fullness and integrity of their persons.

Can't a person change and fill new roles? Can't society recognize new ideas of family? Even in this world we live in now, a traditional family can be defined in so many ways. Some may be better, or worse, but they're all still defined as 'family' by the people in them. You have the right to your belief in God's creation of man and woman, and I'll always defend your right to say it, but please don't expect me or others to also believe that, and respect us enough to not force your religious opinion into our families.

I consider any assertion of equality as a value to be incompatible with the recognition of human personhood and personality; the fundamental, manifold expressions of harmonious -- that is to say differentiated and fundamentally unequal -- reality, and the most beautiful qualities of the human condition.

Yes, we are all different and unequal in our creations and places in this world and our paths will be endless. Progressive thought would define "Equality" as:

"a dream, a goal of least inequality and most opportunity."- Douglas LaFollette.

No outcomes are the same, but decency, recognizing others as equal in humanity to ourselves no matter how base and low they might be, and allowing others to dream and achieve betterment for themselves and their kith and kin, these are the goals of equality within liberal thought.

I believe in love, humility, grace, mercy, humor and forgiveness, and in meeting my fellow men in the most Christian spirit I can possibly muster.
The Lord knows I struggle at times.
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It is precisely this the very understanding of virtue that has been deconstructed and torn down.

Christian thought and ideology and Progressive Liberal thought and ideology are so similar in many ways. Really, it's just our system specs that are different.

7 DANGERS TO HUMAN VIRTUE
1. Wealth without work
2. Pleasure without conscience
3. Knowledge without character
4. Business without ethics
5. Science without humanity
6. Religion without sacrifice
7. Politics without principle

-Mahatma Gandhi

All flesh is hay.

Don't forget what follows this: "All flesh is hay, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field."-Isaiah chp40v6

The only way we differ is that you believe the goodliness comes from God, whereas I believe it comes from within myself, within my neighbor, within my city, within my society, and within all the people of the world I live on.