when founding a town of full of newbie thieves

[FutureForJames]

As i said, because the forums are crawling with people like you thl, i dont mind to be a laughingstock for anyone. Its same thing to go to a zoo and see the monkeys laughing and trowing poop at you, you dont mind because they are irrationale enough to make you feel pity for them.

And i dont see why a (social)game and the real life are completely different, since the people playing it are surprisingly enough real people, the "rules of game" are trying to be the closest to reality as possible, and the social traits estabilished are essencialy the same you can see on RL. So if Salem proposes the creation of a controled micro-cosmos, yes we can discuss about the moral implication of the acts perpretated in-game, since in my opinion our characters are extensions of ourselves and in the end you are trying to achieve or acr ingame (or on the forums) in the same way you wanted in real life if the conditions are right.

How do you explain that in other servers, certain people went the raider path, but in yet another servers the very same people went the ranger path? If their ingame personas were truly extension of themselves, shouldn't that be impossible unless they have a dissociative identity disorder? Or does it perhaps mean that they actually treat the game like a game, much like an actor treats a role he plays as a part of a play/movie rather than an extension of themselves?

Very simple my dear james, people are not entirely ***** or saints. You can do rangeiring or mindless looting at the same character on the same server, maybe you are trying to compensate something, maybe you are just looking for some profit ( since i hardly call bounty hunting a serious "good" thing). Asking such a question makes you unaware of the situations who occour in the real life... Why a gangster would kill his rivals but protect their families? Why the drug dealers in slums across the world take peoples lifes trough addiction but help the population of their neighborhood? Even more, why a country can wage a war in another, killing millions of innocents, forcing a western ideology to a diferent culture, and even so talk about freedom and democracy?

It's a simple matter of facts, a good deed cant make us turn a blind eye for the bad ones. There isnt any dissociative disorder on this, just human behaviour. But if you are willing to do any harm for other human being, just for the spite of it, you cant call yourself righteous, good, or fair.

A clarification: the situation I am refering do not do those things simultaneously. Imagine people killing anything they see moving in one server, while in another server they never hurt any innocent and they take ranger missions not for their personal wealth but for the justice of the server. It very much sounds like roleplaying rather than an extension of their real life selves.

Edit: It is almost as if they chose to play the role of a villain in one server and chose to play a "hero" role in another server.

Edit2: The extreme difference shown by the same person in that scenario is not equivalent to the regular duality that can be found among common people. The only rational explanation is that the game is being treated like game first and foremost.

[thl111]

I did not, as i said, i cant do anything if this is the path he choose. But you are wrong in one thing, in a sandbox MMO you did not choose to "play roles", since you are playing with other people, and you actions influence the player enviroment, if you are being a jerk, its not your character that is being one, its yourself. So if i appealed for that minuscule shard of human decency that Darworth calls a brain, its not because his character walked and raze our camp by himself, but is because the human, who is intrinsecaly "evil" or at least incapable of feeling empathy for another human being, commanded him to do it.

Just because you are playing by the game rules, it doesnt mean that you arent wrong for doing it. These type of people if had enough power on real life would easily do the same thing that a game let them do.

Very simple my dear james, people are not entirely ***** or saints. You can do rangeiring or mindless looting at the same character on the same server, maybe you are trying to compensate something, maybe you are just looking for some profit ( since i hardly call bounty hunting a serious "good" thing). Asking such a question makes you unaware of the situations who occour in the real life... Why a gangster would kill his rivals but protect their families? Why the drug dealers in slums across the world take peoples lifes trough addiction but help the population of their neighborhood? Even more, why a country can wage a war in another, killing millions of innocents, forcing a western ideology to a diferent culture, and even so talk about freedom and democracy?

It's a simple matter of facts, a good deed cant make us turn a blind eye for the bad ones. There isnt any dissociative disorder on this, just human behaviour. But if you are willing to do any harm for other human being, just for the spite of it, you cant call yourself righteous, good, or fair.

I don't know, you sound contradictory. Firstly you condemned a person as a jerk for killing people in a GAME then you stated that human beings are bias. They just don't add up.

Not directed specifically for you, but for the argument "you are a laughinstock for every one in the forums" who has been posted a handfull times, nothing more than an Argumentum ad Hominem, instead of discuss the matter they just say"U MAD BRO?", "DELICIOUS TEARS", and such. Face it, most people here arent interested for anything that resembles a serious discussion.

I was checking you before you make an ass of yourself for something so trivial as this. So think hard before insulting anyone. And don't be so uptight. Seriously.

[RuneNL]

Simply said (I enjoy reading this though)

The game is: (for some)
1. Simulation of human life and social structure
Or
2. Troll and lol platform

Either way, its all a lot of work.

[Vtomal]

I don't know, you sound contradictory. Firstly you condemned a person as a jerk for killing people in a GAME then you stated that human beings are bias. They just don't add up.

Yes, im not seeing no contradiction here, Darworth was a jerk, but even i dont believe he is an terrible, terrible person who deserved to be locked in jail forever for his atroucious acts against the humanity. Im was just saying he cant call himself good (in his offline life) , if he is willing to do acts who hurt someone, even if was in a game.

[dageir]

Those who goes around calling themselves good in real life, seldom are.

[MagicManICT]

Funny. I should really dig up a link from a noted game journalist and "philosopher" about gaming and personalities, but I can't be bothered. Adam Sessler is the journalist and he waxed on about playing certain personalities in games and even going a bit into the psychology of it. It was on his video podcast "Sessler's Soapbox" available through iTunes or on the (now defunct) G4 TV website.

[Trenial]

Those who goes around calling themselves good in real life, seldom are.

Exactly that. Think to oneself:

"It is one thing to mean well, another to do well".

The first half of the thought describes 99% of humanity, the latter is the last 1%.

So Vtomal, when you come in tea-potting 19th century terms, like evolution...you would take my thought and tell me that those who do not yet do well, just have not evolved enough yet?

So in all my good acts, am I evolved higher than others and Darwoth is lower? *sniff sniff* Nazi ideology...

Note:

My opening thought is highly inductive, it could 50/50, 60/40, who knows, it is an example.

Maxim: "Many men know many things, no man knows everything."

[thl111]

So if he is bad in a game, it means he is a ***** in real life. And yet, our professor, in his recent post, argues that people can't be entirely ***** or saints. Love your logic. Sadly, I'll stick to my point as " Oh come on man, it's only a game and the poor sod was enjoying whatever despicable acts he can think of. So your village got screwed because you left scents all over the place which you should know damned well that would let to your demise sooner or later (which is also the most important rule of the game). Unplug that cork in your arse and chill, for crying out loud." So, there.

[Sachaztan]

Vtomal not only do you take yourself and this game too seriously, what you write also happens to be completely insane. You should look up what roleplaying is, might give you some shred of insight into the human mind (which you are obviously lacking). I would like to assume that you are simply trolling because that is what I tend to assume when people continuously write stupid **** over and over again no matter what everyone else says, but in this case I can't shake the feeling that you are actually serious.

[sabinati]

some guy kept killing me in Call of Duty or whatever the popular FPS is these days, he must be a bad person IRL because cry everytiem