This game is nearly impossible for new players

[staxjax]

He basically said him and his friends are done with the game for now. You accomplished your mission here, Chief. Now go find more nub bases to grief into quitting.

[vintreet]

nor are you adding to the discussion in any way what so ever.

I doubt that. The OP was attempting to make it seem as though he was helpless to the situation. Luckily I was here to get him to to acknowledge that the faults and failure of his base were a reflection of his inability to build one more than any game mechanics that need adjustments.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

I'm curious though, how could a fresh brand new player with no knowledge of this game or its game mechanics get their humours up high enough to survive a fight with a what 500+ humour toon?

You have to farm for a while before you get high purity food... So how long does it take to get to 500+ humours from scratch?

[staxjax]

They don't raid with 500 humour characters. It takes just one modest harvest to get above 200 though. It is much more efficient to just make a bunch of 2-300 character humours than trying to develop characters beyond 300. I'm not saying that they don't have characters that could be above 500, but it takes a very long time to get that high.

[darnokpl]

nor are you adding to the discussion in any way what so ever.

I doubt that. The OP was attempting to make it seem as though he was helpless to the situation. Luckily I was here to get him to to acknowledge that the faults and failure of his base were a reflection of his inability to build one more than any game mechanics that need adjustments.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

I'm curious though, how could a fresh brand new player with no knowledge of this game or its game mechanics get their humours up high enough to survive a fight with a what 500+ humour toon?

You have to farm for a while before you get high purity food... So how long does it take to get to 500+ humours from scratch?

You can't. If you are going to start to play today and you won't join any large town, you have no chance alone!!! In most cases if you won't teleport or logout in time you are dead, because 500+ can run longer than you.

[vintreet]

He basically said him and his friends are done with the game for now. You accomplished your mission here, Chief. Now go find more nub bases to grief into quitting.

It's not really just the chief though.

It's more of an inherent flaw in the game design. With only a soft cap of humours, established players will always have higher humours than any newer player can ever achieve. Simply having played the game longer (within reason) shouldn't mean it's impossible for a fight to go any way but in their favor.

No matter how much time a new player spends working on humours a player who has played longer will have higher humours because there's no real end to how high they can go.

Beyond that, base defense... I believe it would be possible to defend better than we did (obviously, since we started with split rail fences, which is what newbs do because that's all they can do...). But I still think pretty much no matter what we were to do, if we were found early enough in our progression to strong defenses, we'd be crushed.

So as long as the tribe (or any other group) can find a player before they get fully set up, they don't stand a chance. IT's a really solid strategy for a group like the tribe, to just go about killing everyone and never letting a real enemy of equal strength form. Crush them while they're weak... It's the easiest way to play when you're the strongest, so it's the most likely outcome of every server. One group will surpass the others and take over. Be it the tribe, or russians, or a group of aliens.

[vintreet]

You can't. If you are going to start to play today and you won't join any large town, you have no chance alone!!! In most cases if you won't teleport or logout in time you are dead, because 500+ can run longer than you.

This is exactly what I believe is true. Which is why it's next to impossible for a new player. There is only one strong town (is it a town?) on Plymouth. There is no resistance, the tribe owns the server.

[vintreet]

They don't raid with 500 humour characters. It takes just one modest harvest to get above 200 though. It is much more efficient to just make a bunch of 2-300 character humours than trying to develop characters beyond 300. I'm not saying that they don't have characters that could be above 500, but it takes a very long time to get that high.

One modest harvest for someone who has infrastructure in place. Again this proves my point. Sure, if I had high purity seeds and well developed fields with proper rotations and room for all that we could have had some modest harvests that pushed our humours higher and made it so maybe we had a fighting chance. But can any new player reach that point in this environment?

[vintreet]

So basically, all in all, I'm just hoping that the feedback from our gaming experience is read by someone who makes decisions. There are countless other threads just like this, and there's really no reason to argue. The game is what it is (for now). And as it is now, it's just not new player friendly. I'll check back in 6 months or something and see if the game has evolved a bit and maybe it'll be closer to the game I'm looking to play (something similar to the early days of Ultima Online if anyone has any suggestions )

[jwhitehorn]

I'm curious though, how could a fresh brand new player with no knowledge of this game or its game mechanics get their humours up high enough to survive a fight with a what 500+ humour toon?

Very Simple.

Step #1: Pay 200-400 silver for treaty (10 cricket teams or less).
Step #2: Build 4-6 smelters and begin making 12 Iron Bars an hour.
Step #3: Spent your first month in the Treaty spending 4 hours a night making iron bars. 30X4 = 120*12 = 1,440 Iron Bars
Step #4: Trade the Tribe your 1,440 Iron Bars for enough food to make a 300-500 Humour Character (approx 1/2 of a harvest for us).

Boom. A simple way for you to have 500 humours in less than a month spending 4 hours a day. Your welcome.

I'll check back in 6 months or something and see if the game has evolved a bit and maybe it'll be closer to the game I'm looking to play

I wouldn't bother if I were you. I do not see this game evolving to the point where somebody who couldn't figure out how to smelt bars and pay a treaty is going to ever have a bright future. Even Eegore from Eegore Vids has a video tutorial on how to be successful and leverage the Tribe. This game is not designed for you to be completely ignorant to the politics and mechanics and yet still be successful. They are mutually exclusive.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[staxjax]

Yeah, I don't really understand what you are asking for...noob protection or something? That is never going to happen. If you get raided and ragequit you dont really learn anything. Even when new servers open up, and you decide to give it a go again, you will still be behind other players because you don't have the skill or experience as other people. With new servers, there will be people that have murder and 60+ humours after just a few days of grinding and foraged foods. Maybe you guys don't like to grind or something, I dont know...but that would explain having only 10 braziers after playing for a month.