Game Development: Home is where I Hang my Hat

[Dallane]

if only houses were stronger lol

dat mordor
#pras

[Potjeh]

BTW, I still think that a more elegant solution to wall layer spam would be limiting braziers by line of sight.

[dageir]

If you make 10 spaced out walls with a brazier density as high as feasible, nobody would have a go at it unless they really meant to hurt the inhabitants. They wouldnt risk the loss in humours or spend the time for it.

[Myrdred]

err, are you mad?

approximately 50 tiles in every direction plus the braziers, what 200-400?

if we start construction now such bases will be finished in the late spring.

Not mentioning the cost in upkeep and claimed land....


Absent that my point is still valid, we still need wall spaming just with taking account of the new system so dageir please tell me this: what is the real difference other then making it that much harder for hermits and smaller factions too keep raiders out?

Yes in the begging it's better you have one wall and some braziers and your reasonably safe but your still just a grocery store for the major raiders like the russians or the tribe. What can a small faction do to protect themselves from the mayor enemies other then using the mentioned solution?

Spacing out walls means that it will be that much more difficult to keep them all in the range of braziers and thus so many more braziers will be needed.

[Potjeh]

Anyway, I reckon that walls should spread damage only to walls of same or lower tier, otherwise no wall is stronger than split-rail fence (makeshift fence has no splash, right?).

[marduc]

Ok, this splash damage is very very annoying. I have been hard at work for about a week tearing down a stone wall to replace it with an interior plank wall. Now the stone wall on the outside is rendered obsolete, and what was a strength in my wall design has now became a weakness.

On top of this it is taking me forever to remove the old stone wall and replace it with plank as it is, now suddenly when I destroy a segment of stone wall the newly installed plank wall behind it gets decimated? My board supply was limiting as it is (with 8 stacks at a go drying) now I either have to leave my wall vulnerable by not installing replacement wall as I go, or waste extra dry boards out of my supply.

All around I find this change bringing in splash damage to be very painful indeed. At least if you are going to implement this give us a way to tear down and replace our walls (which in many cases are obsolete) without decimating the rest of our wall defense through self inflicted collateral damage.

P.S. I know many have already rode this ***** train, but we could really really use a way to tear down our own constructs (especially walls) with significantly less tedium - it really should not take 24 hours of in game work hours just to destroy our walls in order to replace them (this is based upon an approximation of 10 mins/wall destroy time, and ~36 x 36 claim - and does not even take into account hours of time spent producing food or materials to support the overhaul).

edit: yes the brazier changes are nice and mitigate the weakness in the wall design; however to insure I use the walls to the best of their potential (which I can get obsessive about) would require me to destroy and replace yet another layer of fence around my claim - not to mention the need to stop work on the interior demo/replace project I have halfway completed in order to expand my claim even further out to build a completely new fence in order to maintain integrity of my base defense during the overhaul (this won't work on the side on the river ). My goal has just became much farther off, and I really do not think I have it in me to start travelling down the long road ahead that just suddenly appeared. I am half tempted to shelve the game, my reward i was closing in on has been yanked from my reach just as I started approaching it.

[dageir]

Walls are meant for hard core players, not casuals.

[darnokpl]

Anyway, I reckon that walls should spread damage only to walls of same or lower tier, otherwise no wall is stronger than split-rail fence (makeshift fence has no splash, right?).

Yes that is good idea.


Hmm thoughts about OP-spying now if any faction has a spy with ~150 phlegm he can in 1 hour, while others are sleeping, destroy whole town walls without single scent?

[Ornery]

Anyway, I reckon that walls should spread damage only to walls of same or lower tier, otherwise no wall is stronger than split-rail fence (makeshift fence has no splash, right?).

Makeshift fences had no splash damage when I tested them right after the update, but I haven't checked since the rebalancing that happened shortly after.

[Yes]

Can you build a split-rail fence just outside someone's claim, destroy it and with it damage a stone wall segment? What about a stone wall starter post?
Can you defend a second layer of stone wall with a layer of split-rail fence?
Braziers actuvate when you actually do damage or use "destroy" and stuff?