omgzor, BUGABUSERS (DDoS attacks are basically the same, yo)

[Procne]

http://forum.salemthegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3572&hilit=abuse&start=120#p39940

Let me try to explain the benefits of 1x1 farms in a better way.....
Here is my computer config that was lagging in my incomplete village
i5 2500k @ 4600GHz
8GB Corsair 1600MHz ram
Radeon 5970HD 2GB DDR5 dual gpu 1700/2500MHz

Give me 5000 cereal seeds and lots of food and I will prove to you that you don't need modiefied client to achieve this

[Decay]

Give me 5000 cereal seeds and lots of food and I will prove to you that you don't need modiefied client to achieve this

Spell modified correctly and stop spamming your idiocy and we could talk about it

[ameba]

DDoSing is not bug using.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%2 ... _gaming%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDos#Distributed_attack

Mere fact that you had to post separate links for exploiting and DDoSing proves my point.
From your posts you seemed like at least educated enough to understand the difference between the two.
And the bugged farms are not denying the servers service to anyone. They can just maybe crash those clients that are unable to render them. If they get to the point where they have to render them. And since you cannot till fields in the middle of Boston...

EDIT: I just realised this is in HoB. For Decay, that means - "House of Burgesses: Forum for In-Game politics, relations and matters of justice." and not
"Bugs & Technicalities: Forum for bugs and technical problems." I'll refrain from further derailing, and you should too.

[Decay]

From your posts you seemed like at least educated enough to understand the difference between the two.

Okay why two different words?
Exploit : "An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches"

DDos : "This can crash various operating systems because of a bug"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

Bugs are cause / method for most DDos's

*Awww the beauty of ignorelist for proc

[Procne]

Which of the following sentences you don't agree with:

- you don't need modified client to make 1x1 farms
- you don't need modified client to make enough farms to cause crashes for some players
- crashes are caused by increased amount of geometry, which depends only on the amount of farms (and what's planted on them).
- bug has nothing to do with the amount of packets sent / received to/from server. Or the connection bandwidth
- modified client lowers fields' geometry which makes you resistant to this problem

[Procne]

From your posts you seemed like at least educated enough to understand the difference between the two.

Okay why two different words?
Exploit : "An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches"

DDos : "This can crash various operating systems because of a bug"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

Bugs are cause / method for most DDos's

*Awww the beauty of ignorelist for proc

Just because a bug can be used to cause DoS does not mean that every bug is a DoS. You don't even need bugs to cause DoS

[ameba]

I'd like to remind you that this is what OP had in mind when opening this thread:

I get that the MM tribe and the GH does not like each other. But, blaming each other of "bug abusing" in a closed beta seems kinda silly. And not only does it seem silly; every single topic in this forum seems to get turned to the fact that someone, at some time, abused/used a bug, and is therefore a lesser being? My point is - come on - it is still a closed beta. Of course there are bugs. Of course there are abusers. Arguing who is abusing, and who are not, just seems plain stupid?

No mention of DDoSing. Just discussing ethics of using bugs for personal gain/fun/rage and whatever falls under those categories. DDoSing, plain and simple, is NOT bug using. Its denying of service by any means available (even bugs if possible, but there are so much easier ways to do it, so why even bother?). Denying of service NOT the SAME as exploiting game design.
So, let's discuss ethics.
DDoS - pure evil (I remember the frustrations I had on the GW2 release day them jelly wow fanbois)
Bug exploiting - 1. egoistical 2. still legal here 3. profit

[staxjax]

I split this off from the original topic. You guys are welcome to carry on this conversation, although it seems like Decay has no ***** clue what he is talking about. Lol.

Denial of Service attack =/= [ab]using ingame mechanics.

[fox]

The difference from what I see of this game and any other game is in other game people are removed when they cheat.
Beta or Not

Really the game is already offering silver for real currency and people are openly admitting to using exploits.

They are not here to bug test they are here to ruin the game. What really makes you think they will change when game goes "commercial"?

The problem isn't just these people who openly cheat but the "o well" stance of devs

Everything from people from figuring out ways to Ddos people through massive 1x1 farms to people abusing any number of exploits for their advantage.

It doesn't help devs/paradox case that a few of the forum moderators belong to such groups that openly admit to abusing bugs.
Really is that who you trust giving money to?

Wut? I think DDoS another thing.
P.s. overloading with farming fields was reported on alpha. Devs working on.

[tweenprinc3ss]

Want me to back you MM? Then start policing without the extortion.