Lost Bile [Solved - Crime related]

[Aprimell2]

i will make a full proposal in the criminal aspect of the rading and crime system in the idea section

[Chrumps]

What are you talking about, low criminals won't be able to break houses or any objects since that would require arson. To me it seems you are not making much sense and confusing multiple things together.
...In terms of proper raids ...
... multiple bashers, alongside many tankers ....

You say I am confusing multiple things ? Does the OP sounds like doing proper raids with multiple bashers and tankers ?

question. Do you regain bile lost after been put in stock?
i gained a fed-up debuff of 30 days from stock also...

To me it sounds like whining because of being punished for being crap criminal, being stocked for the first time ever.

... but once you are talking about proper criminals, the stocks can hurt and server restarts are sadly still happening, staying 24/7 online is the only thing to do in most cases.

So you say staying online locked on a claim for 11 days, using some 80 pieces of tobacco in the worst case, with a minimal risk of server restart, is too much compared to the loot you can have from a proper raid?
Also you can use throw away alts as tankers, and in most cases you do not need to commit summonable crimes to take braziers fire.

Though I 'd love if whipping a criminal would backfire badly every now and then, because now it is risk-free.

[Nsuidara]

What are you talking about, low criminals won't be able to break houses or any objects since that would require arson. To me it seems you are not making much sense and confusing multiple things together.

In terms of proper raids, it usually takes multiple days to break any serious base and requires multiple bashers, alongside many tankers and in most cases assuming the defender did set-up properly you won't be able to secure your scents and will have to deal with whatever consequences.

But yes, low criminals shoudn't care much about the stocks but once you are talking about proper criminals, the stocks can hurt and server restarts are sadly still happening, staying 24/7 online is the only thing to do in most cases.

Your style think it's rly wrost....
why ? example...
center layer base it's 25x25 (stone+plank+brick walls)
and outside layer base it's 60x60 (stone+plank+brick walls)
and one more layer 75x75 (wood + stone walls)
it's for me rly huge but for other old players... isn't so huge
and for other players build 25x25 (stone+plank+brick walls) isn't easy and fast think ...

and you tell us... you wanna 200 biles character raid this type base ?

i build like that @UP, but less or more area.... no care
and i finish 2th layer Brick last week (mean gate) ( need 4 months finish BASE, because im not play 5h/day...)

For my OPINION
I SAID NO!
crimes/raids are not for the weak players
criminals must be expensive if you can't def. your actions (scents) then your problem

for me, now more easy it's made character 500+ biles then build again BASE...
requirement: you have good BASE + feasting set,
then made alts it's easy

ofc. need time if you don't made potions or need very good feasting set
+ good food, becasuse Deviler's Beaver expensive time cost...

this is just my opinion, I'm not going to argue - i end it, meybe i help this topic or not, good day )

[Judaism]

You say I am confusing multiple things ?

Thought it was obvious that it was a reply to the Polish idiot, not to you so my bad.

Your style think it's rly wrost....
why ? example...
center layer base it's 25x25 (stone+plank+brick walls)
and outside layer base it's 60x60 (stone+plank+brick walls)
and one more layer 75x75 (wood + stone walls)
it's for me rly huge but for other old players... isn't so huge
and for other players build 25x25 (stone+plank+brick walls) isn't easy and fast think ...

and you tell us... you wanna 200 biles character raid this type base ?

i build like that @UP, but less or more area.... no care
and i finish 2th layer Brick last week (mean gate) ( need 4 months finish BASE, because im not play 5h/day...)

For my OPINION
I SAID NO!
crimes/raids are not for the weak players
criminals must be expensive if you can't def. your actions (scents) then your problem

for me, now more easy it's made character 500+ biles then build again BASE...
requirement: you have good BASE + feasting set,
then made alts it's easy

ofc. need time if you don't made potions or need very good feasting set
+ good food, becasuse Deviler's Beaver expensive time cost...

I honestly have no clue what you are after, you brought bases into perspective in a topic that has nothing to do with that. In Salem you should not have any safe area's or castles that take way too long to raid, thats not what made Salem unique.

I never claimed that a 200 biled char should be able to do that, I have never said that crimes/raids are not for the weak players. Criminals however shoudn't nessesarily be expensive, its the thing which made Salem an enjoyable game and its the only thing that made it unique compared to many other games out there. I have never been in favour of complete destruction of bases but I just already mentioned that if you do a proper job building under current conditions you will not lose your base and most likely all of your infrastructure will still be in place, just the loss of items and valuables at the most. For that exchange, I think it indeed is not fair to potentially lose huge characters and being forced to the insane passive punishments Salem has nowadays, its just extremely incompetent, so are TBC's and all that sorta crap.

[Chrumps]

it was a reply to the Polish idiot

Ehm....
I know I have just updated my location, but do not insult people based on their nationality.

[Nsuidara]

I never claimed that a 200 biled char should be able to do that,

then I very sorry, my mistake
when I read you, i read you wanna "should be able to do that"

I have never said that crimes/raids are not for the weak players.

but i said, this action's isn't for new / weak players
but this type player do many times (example, I'm ... )

Criminals however shoudn't nessesarily be expensive,

raid should nessesarily be expensive, (i talk about destroyed)
but "Criminals" PvP i agree with shoudn't nessesarily be expensive

its the thing which made Salem an enjoyable game and its the only thing that made it unique compared to many other games out there.

because, i made TOPIC about DUNGEONS or other "think" (castle/obiect siege in map world/ or other maps "world" ...)
what made group-player for explore
and made fight PvP
not only scouting other player BASE... but made other variable "worlds" where be one pleace and all who wanna challange be go... (I know there will be some problems, but now exsist too..)
I wanna see in salem more "normal" PvP thinks... not only "raid" or TBC...

I have never been in favour of complete destruction of bases but I just already mentioned that if you do a proper job building under current conditions you will not lose your base and most likely all of your infrastructure will still be in place, just the loss of items and valuables at the most.

Sure, but i hear, JC implement Lockpicking... so meybe less destroy base and more stealing...
but for me i can only lose Town Bell
and when EXSIST Lockpicking then Town Bell be... i hope, dev cover about Town Bells...

For that exchange, I think it indeed is not fair to potentially lose huge characters and being forced to the insane passive punishments Salem has nowadays, its just extremely incompetent, so are TBC's and all that sorta crap.

i agree, for one i got stabback 1v4 or 1v6 + bat wing = first permdeath for me... i was "little" angry but ok...
2th made mistake and die
next time i self kill because i'm not wanna lose mask (my character was worth) so i suicide...

but JC show us, he wanna made more implement mechanic "permadeath"
so nice should be more easy made character (biles)

it was a reply to the Polish idiot

I'm not offended you... so, you could be more pleasant for other... >_>

[TotalyMeow]

What is it with you being unable to stick to helping people in the Help section? Once again, this is not a place for drama, arguing, trolling or politics. Just keep it to helping people or I'm going to ban both of you again. Locking this thread.