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Re: Poverty in America

Postby Inotdead » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:43 pm

Flame wrote:I think that, at this point, you're not talking about "brains & dna", but maybe personality heritage? Traits?
I think this is the main gap between us.


Probably? Some personality quirks are not hereditary, others are, and both, nevertheless, are still part of your dna, are they not?

Flame wrote:What i say is that the brain is the same. If we take the brain from people without any illness, their brain size & quality is the same. Science says we have the same potential as the prehistoric men. Races don't affect the brain efficency.


Well, ironically enough, brain size has been on decline for the last 28000 years :lol: But thats beside the point.
Brain can not be the same other than in weight/size. Generally speaking a person with a predisposition to math will have a more active left half of the brain, and the artistic people right half. That's how "traits" you speak of manifest themselves.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby Flame » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:12 pm

or are you literally putting your fingers in your ears yelling "nuh uh!!" ?

No, i'm not, because there is no gain from it. Talk here is not going to change my side of the world, so waste my time with my finger in my ears is not a good hobby. If i talk here, is to talk, read, share and know.

You talk about theories like if are fact, but the more i read about it, the more i find only theories and study about the topic.

A theory is a theory, until the science will find a real answer and will say "We got the final theory", pretty much like happens in math, astrology, phisic or other things.
You should wait before call it truth. You can have your personal opinion though, just as i have mine.


28000 years

Aya. Bad thing the comfort, it lower the need of instict. XD

Brain can be trained and the key to train it is "do i need this for survival?"
That's why he can learn more than one language. He think he needs it when he uses it daily.

Is pretty much like buy a standard pc. You can have windows or mac on the same machine. "Train" the System and you'll have a good pc.

The fact that a person can Change, means that what the brain learn is more important than what the brain have in the beginning.
If the dna is there to mess up things, that person can change his brain enough to turn the dna imprinting into a harmless 1%.

You and me can learn the same things and can THINK the same things. We don't because we don't share the same training. Most of the english native speaker can't talk another language. They just don't need it, so they will find it harder to do it.
This won't mean they can't learn it or they have a genetic brain problem with it.
Their dna is not enough relevant to prevent them from learn it, when they find it usefull.

So, focus on dna or not, is ineffective, since one could change a person mentality with the knowledge or propaganda.

I can't really see why you people rely so much on it.
it is an ongoing theory with lots of contradictory study about how much, when, why, where.
And if it is true, life itself proof is not that relevant and that learning and environment play the main role.

Is an easy way to justify anything, but that's just it. An easy way to avoid a deeper analysis of a problem.

If you're talking about psichology discipline, then there could be a problem, since the psicho itself say that everything about it is a delicate theory and doesn't have to be take as true.
Doctor itself will confirm this.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby Darwoth » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:22 pm

Flame wrote:Image


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ok you are absolutely hopeless, i am done with you.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby Flame » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:57 pm

Is fine.
I find weird to explain basic knowledge and common sense about humans in a topic related poverty.
I will think that we aren't talking about the same thing, since i won't believe that you rely so much on something that change daily.
The weird dna topic can end here for me as well.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby DarkNacht » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:14 pm

Flame wrote:I think it's obvious, but i wanted to speficy this because the "dna" word imply "science proof that brains aren't the same".
If US science teach this, it sounds new and contradictory with what science teach us here.

There is a scientific consensus that brains aren't the same and we can look and brains and see that this is more than just speculation that even at birth different peoples brains work differently.
The science of every developed nation has shown that your DNA has an effect on your brain and with intelligence it usually is responsible for around 50% of variance between individuals. DNA has an effect on intelligence, level of motivation, chance to become an addict, most mental disorders, and basically everything else in your brain. The is the scientific consensus its not an ongoing question and there are not piles of credible studies that show otherwise. If go find a single credible peer reviewed paper that says DNA doesn't effect your brain, you wont be able to because there is no evidence to suggest your ideas have any relation to reality. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that this isn't reality but that just shows that you don't understand how brains or DNA work. You are ignoring science because it doesn't reinforce your world view you are no better than a flat earther.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby Flame » Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:32 pm

I still can't find the research you talk about.

I've found "Intelligence genes", wich is a lot different from what you describe. Is that the research you're talking about?
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby DarkNacht » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:04 pm

Here let me help you get started:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+intelligence+de ... enetics%3F
Once you start getting an understanding of the basics you can then start reading peer reviewed scientific journals.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby TotalyMeow » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:41 pm

Well, I've finally finished looking at the budget. 400+ pages takes awhile, but I think I have a conclusion. However, the post got so long and complex, I'm going to make a new thread for it.
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby lachlaan » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:44 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:Well, I've finally finished looking at the budget. 400+ pages takes awhile, but I think I have a conclusion. However, the post got so long and complex, I'm going to make a new thread for it.

Nerd, reading 400 pages just to make an informed reply on a CuaH thread >.>
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Re: Poverty in America

Postby TotalyMeow » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:50 pm

lachlaan wrote:
TotalyMeow wrote:Well, I've finally finished looking at the budget. 400+ pages takes awhile, but I think I have a conclusion. However, the post got so long and complex, I'm going to make a new thread for it.

Nerd, reading 400 pages just to make an informed reply on a CuaH thread >.>


No... that would have gotten me through about 10 pages. But once I got into it, it was actually pretty interesting and I wanted to know. Now that I do, I may as well share. :lol:
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