Poverty in America

[Darwoth]

i have known lots of junkies and mentally ill people that were "nice" to, using that as a basis for anything at all is nothing more than nonsensical emotion based thinking, it is still not my ***** responsibility to pay another individuals way through life and thus have less to show for my efforts and arguing otherwise is nothing more than support of theft. whether they are a piece of **** or a polished piece of **** with manners makes absolutely no difference at all. if they are going to "starve to death" or otherwise die off because they can not survive without their monthly handouts then that is their problem and natural selection at work, the world has to many people anyway and it used to be an individuals own responsibility whether they managed to survive in it or not.

additionally once they are collecting handouts if they have yet more children they should then have the option of their handouts being cancelled or having themselves chemically sterilized, they should also have to pass regular drug tests to continue receiving any.

[Adelewhy]

As for buying anything with SNAP/food stamps, again IT IS ILLEGAL to buy or sell anything other than food with food stamps. Report it if you see it.

As an example that I saw many times a family of 5 where say the dad is suddenly laid off from his job and the mom took care of the 3 kids, this family would then instantly qualify for SNAP because they have no income coming in.

It's illegal but when reported hardly anything is ever done. I have a friend who is a caseworker. They have so many cases they have a hard time screening them properly and can barely process them all, much less go back and investigate fraud.

There is no instantly qualifying in some places. I've known people in the exact situation you mentioned. They couldn't get crap and yet the druggies who live in squalor by choice (not cleaning IS a choice) down the street got 700+ in foodstamps for 2 kids and 2 adults. The system is wayyyyy broken and needs fixing.

All of us are reading this on a computer with internet access so yes, none of us have a clue.

I don't ride the anti-Claeyt wagon that most ride because frankly, I don't know anything about you and barely pay attention to who hates who for what reason on the forums but that is a really ignorant statement. That's assuming that no one on the forums grew up in poverty and then decided to pull themselves out of poverty and make a better life for themselves. I grew up dirt poor with no running water and barely any food. I have internet now because I decided that I don't want to stay dirt poor with no water or food as an adult. I have friends that slept in cars in their teen years because of how ***** up and poor their family was. Guess what... some of them didn't like that life either and busted their asses to pull themselves up so they not only have food now... but internet too! It's not easy and it takes a lot of work but digging your way out is possible and it's ignorant to suggest that having luxuries now means a person hasn't experienced poverty.

As for military spending... better be specific when you're moaning and groaning about that because military pay is included in that budget and the first cuts are always to the families left behind by the military members when they deploy. This year alone they've talked about cutting troops pay in multiple ways because you know... 1.5k a month plus housing is WAYYY toooo much to pay people who work more then 40+ hours a week, all hours of the day and night while also dealing with danger. Do the math.. it breaks down to about 9.38 an hour (that's an estimate counting ONLY 40 hours and 4 "perfect" weeks in a month). That's hardly rolling in dough. Troops also pay all taxes, social security, Medicaid, sales taxes, vehicle taxes, gas taxes, etc, that anyone else would pay. On the other hand... I know contractors hired by the government who were sooo freaken dumb they welded moving parts of a military ship together because they got to stay on and work longer cuz of all the work their mistake took to fix.....

If I have learned anything it is that poor white people are FAR more disgusting and manipulative than anyone of a minority.

I disagree and find that to be a biased statement. The manipulation is spread out far more evenly then you're admitting. Those would have been the poor whites you've met. Some of the poor ones I've met were too prideful to ask for help such as welfare and instead did stuff like.... pick up recycle along the country roads in order to put food on the table (you'd be amazed at the amount of aluminum beer cans laying along rural roadways) or volunteer to plant a garden for someone with more money if they paid for everything and agreed to give part of the harvest to the poor person who did ALL the work. I've also seen the person with more money, harvest early and rip off the poor person who did the work. So yeah... your experiences doesn't equal the norm. There's disgusting and manipulative people out there in all the groups that exist.

Used spoilers because... I wrote too darn much.

[Adelewhy]

ignore this... accidental double post (is there no way to delete when this happens?)

[belgear]

If I have learned anything it is that poor white people are FAR more disgusting and manipulative than anyone of a minority.

I disagree and find that to be a biased statement. The manipulation is spread out far more evenly then you're admitting. Those would have been the poor whites you've met. Some of the poor ones I've met were too prideful to ask for help such as welfare and instead did stuff like.... pick up recycle along the country roads in order to put food on the table (you'd be amazed at the amount of aluminum beer cans laying along rural roadways) or volunteer to plant a garden for someone with more money if they paid for everything and agreed to give part of the harvest to the poor person who did ALL the work. I've also seen the person with more money, harvest early and rip off the poor person who did the work. So yeah... your experiences doesn't equal the norm. There's disgusting and manipulative people out there in all the groups that exist.

lol this guy thinks that this whole topic isn't just a giant opinion piece

[Adelewhy]

If I have learned anything it is that poor white people are FAR more disgusting and manipulative than anyone of a minority.

I disagree and find that to be a biased statement. The manipulation is spread out far more evenly then you're admitting. Those would have been the poor whites you've met. Some of the poor ones I've met were too prideful to ask for help such as welfare and instead did stuff like.... pick up recycle along the country roads in order to put food on the table (you'd be amazed at the amount of aluminum beer cans laying along rural roadways) or volunteer to plant a garden for someone with more money if they paid for everything and agreed to give part of the harvest to the poor person who did ALL the work. I've also seen the person with more money, harvest early and rip off the poor person who did the work. So yeah... your experiences doesn't equal the norm. There's disgusting and manipulative people out there in all the groups that exist.

lol this guy thinks that this whole topic isn't just a giant opinion piece

lol, that's cute Belgear. You do realize a person can give an opinion of someone's opinion as a reply right? I mean that's kind of how opinions work. What's that quote... "opinions are like assholes ... everyone has one"

[belgear]

lol this guy thinks that this whole topic isn't just a giant opinion piece

lol, that's cute Belgear. You do realize a person can give an opinion of someone's opinion as a reply right? I mean that's kind of how opinions work. What's that quote... "opinions are like assholes ... everyone has one"

Honestly I was mostly just responding to the bias statement thing. everyone's opinion is biased. It's why they vary.
Anyway, imma bow out of this one have fun y'all

[Flame]

I read the belgear main post and i can say that is the basis of my thinking.

The society gain from do something usefull is more than the loss of the abused system. The ones that abuse the system can be fight. If the system is erased "because is not used correctly", the good one have lost a service /that usually represent a Right) and the bad ones will abuse on something else.
In the end, WE (honest people) are the one that loose the battle, and we dig our hole with our hands. If you use this attitude with everithing, you'll end up having nothing left of your services and lots of people abusing stuff without problems, since the only one that is loosing something is you.

Remove/Deny a right and a service is always the bad choice. When you lose a service, you're not going to rebuild it. It never happened, in the whole democracy history. So history teach me that I should always contain the complaint that wish to erase a service. What i should do is push the complain toward the box of "let's do this better instead of remove it". I think that report a problem is always usefull, even if the one that is reporting a problem is completely different from me and have stream of cash exploding from the pants. If the report is silly or dumb, is usefull to show how sily and dumb it is and what is the mistake in it.
It is usefull for the ones that aim to find a Solution for everybody and not only for themselves. (Wich is an attitude i like to support, since a society is a big messy house where we must live)


In order to push the complaint into the box of "let's do it better, instead of erase it", i talk about how usefull the service is, how much important is for the people that uses it correctly and how few is the damage, compared to the gain, from the ones that abuse it.
Even when the abuse is high, i would not remove the system. I would talk with others about how the system is broken, so that we know exactly what i want from the government.

The reason why i "plan and talk" is that there is a main rule in a democracy: The government aim to lower the right at any chance. It do so because a democracy is really expensive, so any right is money loss. The government have to negotiate with the population at any chance he find.
When a service is not correctly working, is easier and faster, for the government, to erase that service and try to convince the population that is the right thing to do. This is not a conspiracy, is pragmatism. Rework a service cost a lot of time-money-meeting etc etc. If the population is enough angered to ask the removal of a service, the government can "please the population" removing it. That's how democracy works. XD

Be skeptical is always a good thing. It gives you time to think about the consequences and to be a good citizen in a system that asks to you to be an expert in every topic.
Even if we aren't expert, we can at least debate and, in the end, demand that the real experts do their job to IMPROVE a service, instead of remove it.

Does this sounds like a fair attitude, to you guys?

[Darwoth]

society gains absolutely nothing from stealing from the useful members to give to the dead weight.

if one has the ability to remove emotion from the equation and can look at the overall picture with nothing but brutal honesty and objectivity like i can and then ask themselves a very simple question.

if ALL of the people. the drug addicts, retards, deadbeats and otherwise infirm collecting welfare simply died off or otherwise vanished without a trace tomorrow, would the country be improved or worsened ? there is simply no answer but the absolute fact it would be greatly improved.

there would be millions of good people caught up in this number of course, however the result remains the same. there would then be half as many people and half as much strife, twice as many resources and space for the useful members of society and human evolution would continue to improve and move forward instead of stagnate and devolve with the DNA of the lowest common denominator who are coincidentally the ones breeding the most.

however the fact is when faced with the hard reality of survival or lack of survival virtually everyone would find a way to make due, i did, meows family did. those who can not or will not will never provide anything and are nothing but a parasite slowly killing the hosts, which is everyone else that CAN be self sufficient and make their own way.

Remove/Deny a right and a service is always the bad choice.

thats just it, you do NOT have a right to the fruits of my labor. this is how wars have started throughout human history.

[Claeyt]

if ALL of the people. the drug addicts, retards, deadbeats and otherwise infirm collecting welfare simply died off or otherwise vanished without a trace tomorrow, would the country be improved or worsened ? there is simply no answer but the absolute fact it would be greatly improved.

there would be millions of good people caught up in this number of course, however the result remains the same. there would then be half as many people and half as much strife, twice as many resources and space for the useful members of society and human evolution would continue to improve and move forward instead of stagnate and devolve with the DNA of the lowest common denominator who are coincidentally the ones breeding the most.

This seems like a completely rational final solution to America's problems.





blue = sarcasm

[Darwoth]

This seems like a completely rational final solution to America's problems.

sure does, self sufficiency and the idea of what is yours is yours is exactly the core principal that this country was founded on and why it reached prosperity to become the most powerful in the world in such a short time. as we drift away from this tenet we decline and will continue to decline until it all comes crashing down.