What we're seeing here is the result of official Russian propaganda on a Russian player of Salem. Unfortunately he doesn't read or watch news from outside his country and is ignorant of the facts of his country's foreign policy. As you may all know of me I'm always one of the first to criticize my own country's foreign policy and disagree with some of what even Obama has done, so I can tell any Russians watching that they should do the same. Question the source, get multiple sources, and then learn more. Your country is lying to you.
Amnezia88 wrote:Claeyt wrote:Amnezia88 wrote:Like i said it's up for debate
No, this is not up for debate. It is fact and was proven in a U.N. Security Council meeting. Only Russian propaganda would say it's still debatable.
You're just believing the U.N.'s propaganda
, it makes no sense to just shoot down a Jet of a 'friendly' nation just for skimping the lines. Shooting down that plane was an act of war, nothing more nothing less. The Turks were in the wrong and if i remember they acknowledged this later on.
The UN report is based on the research of many countries, including neutral countries. The Turks gave multiple warnings to Russia to not use their airspace. The U.N. are not "Western Countries", they are the world. Shooting down that plane was an act of sovereignty. I disagree with the Turks buying oil from ISIS and possibly secretly selling them weapons. The Turks were not in the wrong in shooting down that jet and they never acknowledged anything of the sort later on. That is a lie. Ваша страна лежит на вас . Your country is lying to you.
Amnezia88 wrote:Claeyt wrote:I don't think the Russians or Assad's supporters realize that there's really no way for him to stay in power. There's no way for him to stay after the gas attacks and the war. The Opposition won't give up as long as he's the leader and if Russia pulled him out they could probably put in a puppet leader who was Sunni government supporter who would protect the status quo. If he doesn't go they'll be there for the next 20 years. There's no way for the Alawites to control the majority Sunni population. They're too small in population.
The gas attacks were proven, even by your precious U.N., done by rebels/extremist.
This is absolutely false and a lie. The Assad regime's chemical warfare brigade was proven to have done this and the government admitted to it being a "rogue" commander when they agreed to their chemical weapons being seized and destroyed. The U.N. report found considerable evidence that Syrian Army command had full knowledge of the attacks and possibly ordered the attacks.
Putin is lying to you. Ваша страна лежит на вас . Your country is lying to you.
Amnezia88 wrote:A nice example of the UN and the western media spewing out that the Assad regime was responsible for it a minute after the attacks happened
#propaganda#AssadEvil . The major population is Sunni, but who wants a 2nd Saud Arabia? You're saying a religious government under sharia sunni law is best for the country? As that would be the most 'democratic' thing? Ridicilous i say, even Israel stated that they 'rather have the devil they know then the demons that will come next'. Some countries are better of with the leaders they have, just look at what has happened to Libya after Ghadaffi was lynched. The happy new age bleeding heart society we have in the west isn't suit for everybody. Or at least, so we see in all these countries after the Arab Spring..ughe..ughe..better called it an Arab Winter, because that's what this 'bringing democracy' has really brought. All this 'free people' stuff has turned those lands into anarchist fireplaces where if you aren't of the same religion you can get your head chopped off...or worse.
A moderate sunni government with secular leanings such as Jordan, Tunisia or Morocco would be ideal for the Aleppo sunni state. It's possible, but only if ISIS, the Nusra Front and Assad are gone.
As for western propaganda, what most Russians don't understand is that there really is not that much of it and since there are so many news sources from various countries in the West it is easy to spot the mildly opinionated outlets such as FOX News or MSNBC. All you have to do is compare them to other news outlets from around the west or news in different countries in Europe. Western propaganda is a myth and you sound silly spouting that term as if you are in the Cold War still.
Where we in the West have hundreds of news outlets and a wide variety of sources, Russia has limited options. Western news outlets aren't always correct or unbiased but they generally are as free of bias as any other source of information on the planet and that's why they succeed. They succeed because they are
CLOSER TO THE TRUTH THAN ANY OTHERS.
Russia and China have limited news outlets with nationalist tendencies and state controls over them all. Putin is directing your news outlets. Search for other outlets. Compare your countries newspapers and TV to other countries like I do. I know you may be limited by language but look for other sources. Ваша страна лежит на вас . Your country is lying to you.
"The reason Air America is so successful is because they always tell just a bit more of the truth than the other side" - Helmut Kohl
Your government will be proud of your opinions and quoting Helmut Kohl wont give your arguments any extra weight. I'd love to get in on you repeating the same thing over and over again and thinking this will make your argument stronger then it was. Silly.
It's my own country and the EU with the way they are acting now is making me doubt the 'news' more and more every day. In that sense you are right. I'm from the Netherlands and my country is lying to me. 
