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[Taipion]

If Saddam was still in charge in Iraq...
...there would be no ISIS, much less refugees, much less terrorism and a like a hundred thousand less deaths...

...why exactly was murica forced to take action in Iraq? They had weapons of mass destruction, right?

[Claeyt]

aside from comments about muslims i really am done, every single ***** thing you say has been gone over here and proven incorrect

Absolutely nothing I have posted here has been proven incorrect. Only you have been debunked by your idiotic statement that somehow European police don't have similar weapons as American police and their both similarly armed.

As for Uzi's versus other sub-machine guns who cares. The point I was making was that European police use actual machine guns and American Police use semi-automatic assault rifles.

as a footnote now that the injured result has been tallied along with the killed we are up to 84 dead and 202 wounded in under 30 seconds via truck vs 49 dead and 54 wounded in orlando over three hours via gun, which of course was another episode of islamic tolerance and peace.

also this

"Estrosi told BFM TV that "the driver fired on the crowd, according to the police who killed him."

this is yet another example of claeyts ***** spin that he does because myself and others grew tired of him a long time ago and do not bother. the story he read that the guns were '"inoperable" was from this tabloid:

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160715/ ... rable.html

note the headline says that inoperable guns and grenades were "INCLUDED IN" the evidence recovered (likely because he intended to reactivate them at some point), not that he was armed with inoperable weapons because he "couldn't get a gun and would of killed waaaay more people if he had a gun" the way claeyt tried to lead everyone to believe for the past few pages.

the same article, which he neglected to mention also said this.

the truck driver was armed with a small gun and shot several times before being killed.

First off, you're absolutely debunked as to it taking 30 seconds. he traveled 1.8 miles or more than 2 km and it took almost 10 minutes from start to finish.

...and actually, I got my information about the fake guns from the Daily Mail at first and it's also being reported by the Washington Post that they were dummy guns and grenade.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... ge%2Fstory

The Guardian is reporting that there was a mix of both dummy guns, real guns and a dummy grenade so this is maybe a time to hold off for a few hours until we know more about what happened.

Also there's now a video of the final gun fight where the police fired into the cab of the truck and there are no returning shots. Both of the shoot out videos are in this article which reports that there were possibly both fake and real guns:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ad-8427497

So lets wait a bit and see what actually happened.

[Flame]

...why exactly was murica forced to take action in Iraq? They had weapons of mass destruction, right?

The Bush family is an oilman family. One of the main reasons was the aim to gain control over the oil and they are now strongly criticized for this. (a bit late though)

Then, there is also the aim to export the democracy that permit to export the the market. This is a neverending aim of usa, since is the base of the whole government & social structure.
At that time the Iraq leader Saddam was improving the country with many socialistic programs, but doing so he was getting away from the Usa road.

Since there were a few reasons to call a regular war, Usa declared that there were the chanche that Irwq was arming himself with chemical weapon and Usa did a talk, showing a glass of antrace. It was then prooved to be sugar.
They also claimed that civils were oppressed and he was helping terrorism. All these things was then prooved as not true.
None the less, usa, italy and britain joined the war (and a strong polemic raised in the eu)

It was called a "peace war" because we were officially going to prevent Iraq to do "bad things".

Since the party have gone down, Iraq have lost his integrity and the previous form of isis (al-quaeda) had the chance to get bigger. Then they splitted and Isis have born.


A really short sunto of history.

[Taipion]

...why exactly was murica forced to take action in Iraq? They had weapons of mass destruction, right?

The Bush family is an oilman family. One of the main reasons was the aim to gain control over the oil and they are now strongly criticized for this. (a bit late though)

Then, there is also the aim to export the democracy that permit to export the the market. This is a neverending aim of usa, since is the base of the whole government & social structure.
At that time the Iraq leader Saddam was improving the country with many socialistic programs, but doing so he was getting away from the Usa road.

Since there were a few reasons to call a regular war, Usa declared that there were the chanche that Irwq was arming himself with chemical weapon and Usa did a talk, showing a glass of antrace. It was then prooved to be sugar.
They also claimed that civils were oppressed and he was helping terrorism. All these things was then prooved as not true.
None the less, usa, italy and britain joined the war (and a strong polemic raised in the eu)

It was called a "peace war" because we were officially going to prevent Iraq to do "bad things".

Since the party have gone down, Iraq have lost his integrity and the previous form of isis (al-quaeda) had the chance to get bigger. Then they splitted and Isis have born.


A really short sunto of history.

Isn't there anyone blaming murica for that?

I mean, if Russia did that, like invade a foreign country under false pretenses, I remember the speech of Kerry when Russia annexed the crimea, I literarily fell off my chain laughing, then I realized no one cares if murica does that...

[Flame]

There are but is not the majority. The ones that are against Usa are often charged to be cospiracy dudes. Well, there are a few crazy dudes out there and they mess up things with weird reptilians and black magic theories...
But, anyway, those that read a modern history book can't share easily what they know, since it "smell like a cospiracy". The true is that dumb cospiracies theories starts from real documents (and then add tolkien an alien plot in it.)
I claim that cospiracies theories are created to drag away smart people from it! A trick! <--- my personal cospiracy theory that hates cospiracies theories. XD

We are murica ally, is not a good idea to complain too loudly. At least, i'm not expecting my government to have a public idea of it.
I'm more than sure that he have a clear idea of it, though. Since Eu trade with Usa AND Russia, it is in a middle politic situation, so it join the war but let the single states decide how much join it.
Plus, all the News or Tv info comes from Usa international press agencies, so our info is "spoiled" by Usa check. What we do is copy-paste usa news. Only strong countries can affort a real international press agency.

The sad note is that france is one of the major countries that join the wars strongly. This would explain why most of the attacks are in France and France colonies, for now.

I have a friend that moved to france two years ago. Bad timing, i say.

[Taipion]

I claim that cospiracies theories are created to drag away smart people from it! A trick! <--- my personal cospiracy theory that hates cospiracies theories. XD

That is actually not a theory.

[Flame]

Uh, i never bothered to search for it.
Well, whatever thing i can think, it's probably already thinked and studied by someone before.
The name of the theory?

[Taipion]

Uh, i never bothered to search for it.
Well, whatever thing i can think, it's probably already thinked and studied by someone before.
The name of the theory?

I said it is not a theory, because it is the truth.
It is a simple concept of distraction and obfuscation, used in many ways.

[Darwoth]

iraq needed to be invaded because they might have played soccer instead of football.

[Taipion]

iraq needed to be invaded because they might have played soccer instead of football.

Sounds reasonable.