Oh look.....

[Flame]

I hope this wasn't the reference.




Dance, mister cop, dance! ...XD

[Darwoth]

i am done as i will not waste my time on your garbage like i usually do. your entire method of "debate" here for the last three years is to defecate large volumes of outright *****, ignore the responses, selectively quote out of context, try to put words in others mouths to create a "disagreement" that you can cut and paste irrelevant drivel to and then rehash the same exact thing every few pages ignoring the dozen different people that debunk your high school level arguments.

once again a large number of people in a "gun free utopia" were "somehow" killed by bad guys with guns and that is all that matters.

the video in question was an unarmed french cop being blown away.

across the entire country most american squad cars have an ar15 and shotgun in the car in addition to the officers sidearms along with body armor and other **** in the trunk.

since i know about firearms it is second nature to look at what various countries are carrying when these things happen, european police departments are typically about 30 years behind the curve with weapons tech, and our own police departments are about 10 years behind the civilian market.

[Darwoth]

Therefore, there are many smaller "police-like" dudes, wich aren't police at all. Personal guards, simple door keepers, etc etc. They wear their own uniform but they aren't a government army, and you could have been confused by it.

perhaps i do not pretend to know the nuances of different french agencies. if so that is merely semantics then since in this country those same "security" people are armed and have powers to arrest you, thus the unarmed french cop/security vs the armed american equivalent that could have shot back.

[Darwoth]

Therefore, there are many smaller "police-like" dudes, wich aren't police at all. Personal guards, simple door keepers, etc etc. They wear their own uniform and you could have been confused by it.

We also have unarmed security guards in America along with more trained private armed guards for stuff like banks, and such. It takes a training course to openly carry as a security guard for insurance reasons for the companies employing them in nearly all states in America.

an armed security guard has less training and competency than an armed citizen with a concealed carry license that you hate so much, the local wal mart has two such security guards not "stuff like banks"

[Flame]

Uhm. What i read here is that you lack a bit of knowledge. Any guard can arrest you, obviously. It's not a costume man.
If you hire a man to protect you, you would not waste your money with a useless man with a blue t-shirt.

You should dig more into this, otherwise what you say sounds weird and not real. Each different group have different laws, but all of them have the power they need for the situation they hired for. With this info and a bit of logic you can guess what weapon they have and what rights they have over people.

For example, a simple bodyguard have full right to punch a man and put him out the bar where i was working in. Is it's role. He was unarmed, since he wasn't a "guard" of the bar.
The guard of the bar was armed with a regular gun, but he wasn't often around since it ruins the business of a bar.

In all the banks, i see guards with guns and weapons to beat up people or shoot. They improve the business of the bank with their presence.

And in the roads, i see real police man with guns and often assault rifle, a motorbike, the jacket and the weapon to beat down people. That's a common outfit for populated places. They could have only a gun, in less populated places, but they have the right to take the assoult rifle anytime.

And, talking about "things are specific and not so simple", here in italy we have FIVE police corps. I'm not talking about "specialist corps". I mean DIFFERENT. Each of them have different rules, they are loyal to different things, and is more like have five different armies in the same country.
They do their job quite well.



You should check what specific situation you're talking about, check what kind of "guard" he was and for what service. Then compare the same specific situation with the usa and find where is the difference. At that point there should be no way to deny it and a real "topic" can born from it.
For now, i read weird meshy things hardly true. Since i live here, i will believe in what i've seen for 30 years and i will find hard to believe on your contradictory words. You probably know Something, but it's hard to guess what you know and what you have confused.




On a Side note:
I still think that this is unrelated to the topic we are in, though. Weapons, guns, laws... That's totally unrelated to a truck driven by a terrorist.

[Kandarim]

there is such a thing as a citizen's arrest in most countries: anyone has the right to "arrest" someone caught in flagrante delicto (in the middle of a punishable crime).
Whether you can exert that right is something else altogether.

[Darwoth]

thats the whole point, i already had this argument and wasted my time looking into and winning it back then and do not care enough to do so again in order to have the exact same argument or so claeyt can mention something about french hunting laws. i know that in said argument an unarmed french "cop" had his head blown off, just like today 80+ unarmed french civilians were mowed down, and a few months ago 200 unarmed french civilians were blown away and before that an entire newspaper company of unarmed french civilians were shot full of holes. in every situation the assailants casually strolled around killing people at leisure since there was no immediate armed response or threat of one from the people they were in the process of killing.

the gun ***** came with forungi trying to poo poo about the united states. the thread is indeed about marauding muslims once again murdering non muslims so i guess the usual suspects can tell everyone how peaceful muslims are while the funerals play out, again. maybe next month they will behead another 12 year old and we can have the same thread that we have every two - three weeks on average.

[Flame]

Well, even if i imagine a whole civilization armed, i don't see the situation solved.

Once you've armed everyone, you can call it civil war instead of terrorism, but i can't see this as a solution. Isis would be there, just right now, and there would be more bullets around. That's all i can imagine, since the "enemy" is not in the country he is attacking.

Is this the only "solution" you can come out in a political matter like this one?
I find weird that your solution to win a war is to give weapons to civilans in your country.

I think it would be more effective to fight the enemy and who created the enemy with a proper organizated army.

[Darwoth]

i have lived in 7 of the 50 states in this country, in the towns i lived all of them except those in ***** california had an extremely high rate of armed people and yet we had no wars or shoot outs. on the reverse everywhere in this country with strict gun laws is where they are used most frequently in crimes and murders.

however we are still detouring into the neverending gun argument which is pointless, in everyone on this forums lifetime americans will never give them up and europeans will never legally own them in any useful capacity so who cares.

and no, my solution to islam is not to arm everyone. that is the solution to give a victim the chance to not be one.

the short term solution to islam is eliminate immigration from muslim countries to stem the flow, the long term solution is strippers, alcohol and mcdonalds.

and if that does not work there is always this......

[Heffernan]