UK Leaving the EU?

[Alad]

america does not need anymore claeyts.

I don't think anyone needs anymore Claeyts anywhere.

[Flame]

Whut? Clayet?
No thanks. Believe me, if you close me and Clayet in a room, it would end badly.
A StomeMinded "ally" can seriously make me rage.
Enemies are waay more better.

I had the chance to see him debating. It doesn't matter how "good and pure" is what he think, it's of no use if it's irrealistic. He doesn't care to "learn" from others, so is stuck forever. A dead man, pretty much.

Anyway i can try to get my myself what is "Liberal" in me.
I suspect is "The freedom of respect and being respected". Or just the way i talk.
Whatever, it's something i'll handle by myself.

[TotalyMeow]

Fun fact: i don't know what are those Liberals. XD

I know that are one of the two parties and i have a really generic idea of what the two parties want, but I intentionally avoided to read more, in order to not get influenced.

In the US, our main political parties right now are Democrat and Republican. There are also Liberals and Conservatives and Libertarians and some other smaller ones. Liberals are most like Democrats and so tend to vote with them, and Conservatives and Libertarians are most like Republicans and tend to vote with them.

So, a quick rundown on what each group believes in:

Democrats believe in high taxes, especially for wealthier people. They favor government regulations on business, the economy, and 'consumer protection'. They tend to want a smaller military. They are pro-choice when it comes to abortion laws. They usually want universal healthcare. They support wellfare and other government help for the disadvantaged. They want free international trade agreements and loose immigration, especially for illegal immigrants who are already here. They want strict gun control and fewer guns for the people.

Some Liberals are a sort of extreme Democrat, but the beliefs do differ here and there. They are all about personal freedom, and yet also greatly favor government control. So, they support equality and civil liberties and usually want laws to back that up. They tend to be pro-choice, but plenty are also pro-life. They prefer government help for the disadvantaged and strict regulation of the economy by the government. They want lower personal taxes, but higher business taxes and want business to be strictly regulated. They believe in universal healthcare funded by the government. Internationally, they want free trade and loose immigration. They also tend to believe in strict gun control and reduced gun ownership.

Republicans tend to be opposite Democrats in many issues. They favor a free market with little government regulation of the economy, believing that things will sort themselves out without interference. They want a larger military. They want lower taxes for everyone. They also want less government regulation in the economy and most everywhere else with a consequently smaller government. They also tend to want less welfare and other disadvantaged support, believing that such people can be supported by private charities. They are pro-life on the abortion issue. They want stricter immigration laws with no amnesty for illegal immigrants. They support the right to bear arms.

Conservatives are very similar to Republicans. They want not just lower taxes, but a simple flat tax. They also favor free market and larger military. They want all welfare type support to be done by private charities and personal savings for things like retirement, not by the government. They want very little government interference in the economy at all. They agree with Republicans otherwise.

Libertarians support both personal and government liberties. They think the government should be very small with minimum bureaucracy and a focus mainly on protecting civil liberties. They favor a free market with little governmental regulation. They want lower taxes for everyone with a simple flat tax. They support the right to bear arms. They want all welfare and healthcare to be personal or private charity, not government provided. In these ways they are similar to Conservatives. However, like Liberals, they are all about personal freedom. They are tolerant of diverse lifestyles and promote civil liberties and so support things like gay marriage and anti-censorship. They are often pro-choice. They support the rule of law and believe that while immigrants should not be given amnesty, the immigration laws need to change.

This is just a summary since it's rather off-topic , but I hope it clears things up for you.

[Flame]

Thanks mew.

Warning: Wall of Text.
Warning: For any opinion about this, use MP. If this will grow, i'll opne a topic. For now, i don't think it's needed.
I put into spoiler the result of that explanation.

Ok. I did a raw exam and i can set myself in the democrat part, but there are a few things that i can't agree. And i agree a few of republicans ones.
Republicans have too much focus on the rich part of the population and try to turn everything into a business, but Democrats try to balance things on the opposite way. Since a country needs both type of population, i see no point in rage against the rich people.
I also think that a country aim should be to improve his population life style, so all the taxes have to be a % of the revenue, in order to get what a family can give without steal money unfairly. The % have to be low, so both party are comfortable with it.
I think that the idea of people having complete freedom is a failure, since this mean that people grow egoist. Some society roles, like doctors, aren't egoistic jobs, so i can't trust a doctor work only for money. He would pay less care on what he's doing and this improve the medicine failures.
Total freedom is egoism, and egoism is a step back in the human evolution and a self destructive attitude in a society. So i aim for a balanced Freedom (A guy doesn't have the freedom to kill. I think a guy should not have the freedom to be dumb, then.)

A country can have a big army. A big army grant that other country don't bother with it.
A country should never attack any other country. In this, US should be a lot more egoist, honestly, and avoid to fight others war.

I suppose that both party want to "help others", so both party go in war. The democrats do it because they are "good". The republicans do it because "it's business!".
I disagree with both party. All country should be strong in defence and let the world grow his personal society outside the country. Attack a country means Export the society model, but this will prevent any chance to let them create a new society model. In this way, our society can't improve itself or import new ideas.
And it flatten the chances to improve the general human society, in definitive.

This is a piece of my general view about politic/society. It's really general and there are many things that US party doesn't have. As for now, i think i can't share them without a proper explanation. It's not the right topic for this.

Here below, the crude list.
If this argument is of any importance, you can contact me via PM. I agree with mew, the topic have derailed enough. Thanks for your attention.

Democrat
-High taxes, especially for wealthier people. (No. Tax in %)
-Government regulations on business, the economy, and 'consumer protection'. Y
-Pro-choice when it comes to abortion laws. Y
-Universal healthcare. Y
-Wellfare and other government help for the disadvantaged. Y but balanced between Help and Indolence.
-Free international trade agreements and loose immigration. N
-They want strict gun control and fewer guns for the people. Y

Liberals
-Equality and civil liberties and usually want laws to back that up. Y
-They tend to be pro-choice, but plenty are also pro-life. (Lol?)
-They prefer government help for the disadvantaged and strict regulation of the economy by the government. Y
-They want lower personal taxes, but higher business taxes and want business to be strictly regulated. N
-They believe in universal healthcare funded by the government. Y
-Internationally, they want free trade and loose immigration. N
-They also tend to believe in strict gun control and reduced gun ownership. Y

Republicans
-They favor a free market with little government regulation of the economy, believing that things will sort themselves out without interference. (I studied this for a while. I say it's a failure, so No)
-They want a larger military. Y
-They want lower taxes for everyone. (Ni. Lower % when possible)
-They also want less government regulation in the economy and most everywhere else with a consequently smaller government. N
-They also tend to want less welfare and other disadvantaged support, believing that such people can be supported by private charities. (Which means turn poverty into a buisness. No.)
-They are pro-life on the abortion issue. N
-They want stricter immigration laws with no amnesty for illegal immigrants. Y
-They support the right to bear arms. N

Conservatives
-They want not just lower taxes, but a simple flat tax. (Flat tax can't satisfy everybody, so No.)
-They also favor free market and larger military. (No free market. Ok larger military)
-They want all welfare type support to be done by private charities and personal savings for things like retirement, not by the government. N
-They want very little government interference in the economy at all. N

Libertarians
-They think the government should be very small with minimum bureaucracy and a focus mainly on protecting civil liberties. N
-They favor a free market with little governmental regulation. N
-They want lower taxes for everyone with a simple flat tax. N
-They support the right to bear arms. N
-They want all welfare and healthcare to be personal or private charity, not government provided. N
-In these ways they are similar to Conservatives. However, like Liberals, they are all about personal freedom. (?)
-They are tolerant of diverse lifestyles and promote civil liberties and so support things like gay marriage and anti-censorship. (Mh. Whatever.)
-They are often pro-choice. Y
-They support the rule of law and believe that while immigrants should not be given amnesty, the immigration laws need to change. (?)

[Kralith]

Very interesting this UKs.
First they want to make them quit, now they run away.



Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 18846.html

Why the hell they just not do their job now?

[Inotdead]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 18846.html

It's like the guys who instigated brexit didn't actually expect to win.

[saltmummy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 18846.html

It's like the guys who instigated brexit didn't actually expect to win.

Wow, they could have at least seen it through instead of jumping ship the moment they got what they wanted. Whether it turns out good or bad for the UK, I'm not really concerned, but don't start something and not see it through. Drive that bus all the way to it's destination and let that throttle burn the hell out of your hand instead of putting a cinder block on the gas and leaping out after everyone has committed to getting to where you want to go. If all goes well, you can take some credit. If all goes poorly, you better be ready to take some serious ****. Don't puss out now, finish what you start. If you weren't sure of the destination, you should never have started.

[tack]

They did not expect to win , the PM did not expect to loose , no planning was undertaken if a leave vote was returned.
the campaign was built on lies couter lies and threats and all the idiot MPs forgot is that the population dosnt care about finance security or safety only kick out the imigrents.

the question on the paper realy should have been

1 are you am inteligent person who looks at the facts

2 are you a racist bigot who hatesforeigners

[Dallane]

2 are you a racist bigot who hatesforeigners

Look how dumb this guy looks.

[tack]

just out of intrest dallane how many countries have you worked in
how many foreign nationals have you worked with
have you ever had to run a work gang with people whos nations who are at war

why am i dumb