The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby Flame » Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:53 pm

Take into count that every population can be trained during the time.

If the one next to you thinks you're doing wrong, you know others thinks you're doing wrong.
Try to list all the things that you indeed think are "wrong" and you'll find many. Thats your culture.

If a population culture is "i don't like weapons", most of the population would not take one. The "no weapon" plan should be indeed long and calm, to work. I see no chances to change it in a couple of days.

Some of those "no-weapon" guys will die, killed by a criminal. That's sure. But also, they will die even with a weapon in their houses. The criminal kills you 90% of the times, since it's an ambush you don't expect.

With or without weapon, i see no improvement in the society defense.
Without weapons there are less criminals (because the weaker ones are unarmed, instead of armed)
With weapons you can defend but there are more criminals (the weaker ones are now stronger).

Is just like give a gun to all Salem's players to prevent pvp. Or, like H&H, add "permadeath to prevent pvp".
You will see more players shoot with their guns and more experienced player die for a lucky shot.

The sum is that i see no improvement to the defence when you have a gun.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby DarkNacht » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:48 pm

Flame wrote:With or without weapon, i see no improvement in the society defense.
Without weapons there are less criminals (because the weaker ones are unarmed, instead of armed)
With weapons you can defend but there are more criminals (the weaker ones are now stronger).

Most criminals don't have guns. Even muggers and other criminals that directly attack people usually do so with a knife or improvised weapon.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby Dallane » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:44 pm

DarkNacht wrote:
Flame wrote:With or without weapon, i see no improvement in the society defense.
Without weapons there are less criminals (because the weaker ones are unarmed, instead of armed)
With weapons you can defend but there are more criminals (the weaker ones are now stronger).

Most criminals don't have guns. Even muggers and other criminals that directly attack people usually do so with a knife or improvised weapon.


Do you have the information to back that up or are you watching too many CSI episodes?
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby Flame » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:18 pm

Well, let's take into count that like if it's true.
If you remove the weapons, you have criminals, like any other country, but you don't have mass baby murder going rampage in a school for a crisis (a crisis is pretty common at that age).
Yep, you have to deal with the fact that criminality is part of a society, but indeed you want to improve the balance and delete all the chances you have of a mass murdering.
It's better stab 20 people with a kinfe (killing only a few of them usually) than erase a square with a kalasnikov. XD

We aren't talking about "how to remove all the criminals in the country and fire all the policemen". We don't want to clean our clothes with a >[*!100% clean product!*]<
That's stupid, since it's not possible. (YES! Clothes aren't 100% clean! Tv is a liar!) <--- you can ignore this part. You should, prolly.

We just want to put some crazy dude on a sit.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby saltmummy » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:33 am

So now that claeyt is gone, are people going to turn to kicking flame for judging the ways of a country he has never lived in?
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby TotalyMeow » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:52 am

saltmummy wrote:So now that claeyt is gone, are people going to turn to kicking flame for judging the ways of a country he has never lived in?


He's too naive to kick.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby saltmummy » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:14 am

TotalyMeow wrote:
saltmummy wrote:So now that claeyt is gone, are people going to turn to kicking flame for judging the ways of a country he has never lived in?


He's too naive to kick.

Hopelessly optimistic is a phrase I have used to describe him. Not enough cynicism. Not enough pessimism either. Too much faith in humanity. Still a good enough person though and plenty friendly.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby TotalyMeow » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:42 am

Faith in humanity. That's what it is. I've known too many awful people to understand his viewpoint, I think. But I do like Flame.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby DarkNacht » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:14 am

Dallane wrote:Do you have the information to back that up or are you watching too many CSI episodes?

"Slightly more than 21 percent (21.2) of aggravated assaults were committed with firearms"
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... _final.pdf
10.4% of violent victimizations by strangers and 4.5% by non-strangers involve a gun
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvcs9310.pdf
Gun violence peeked in the 80s and early 90s and even then only 17% of robberies involved a gun.
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwester ... ntext=jclc

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Full-auto weapons, like unmodified AKs, are illegal in the US so I doubt new laws banning different guns are going to prevent criminals from illegally buying already illegal guns.
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Re: The Second Amendment of the US Constitution

Postby saltmummy » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:35 am

DarkNacht wrote:
Flame wrote:Oh the humanity
Full-auto weapons, like unmodified AKs, are illegal in the US so I doubt new laws banning different guns are going to prevent criminals from illegally buying already illegal guns.

I could be wrong, in fact I probably am, but I think they simply remove a single pin from the firing mechanism to disable the automatic fire and enabling that feature of the rifle is as simple as putting the pin back.
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