i hope claeyt is ok

[Darwoth]

your obviously suffering from severe mental distress and need to go read through your archived drivel. additionally "canada australia and europe" are not america with american social issues (inner city blacks who account for 14% of the population and make up over 50% of the murders in the country for example), your rate of being stabbed or beaten to death in those countries is also significantly higher.

and the reason nobody uses 3d printers to make their guns is because nobody needs to since they are freely available in most corners of the world, hence the reason all those places with "no guns" are still seeing people get shot.

are you saying we should finally close the mexican border so that all the mexican cartels dont start shipping south american military surplus along with their tractor trailers of narcotics? sounds pretty racist and xenophobic if ya ask me claeyt.

[Dallane]

If someone wants a gun, legal or not, they will get it. It isn't hard to improvise a firearm. What's difficult is improvising a good one. With enough know how though, it can be done.

It absolutely can be done. I used to work in a machine shop, mostly designing parts and writing the programs for the CNC machines, but I did learn how to run the CNC machines as part of a project and then got a good bit of practice when one of the machinists went on a long leave. I also got trained in most of the manual equipment as well. Did people bring in worn firing pins and things and make replacements with management approval? All the time. Could they have done it without approval? Easily. Could I have designed a high quality gun on my computer? Yes. I probably could have imported a full assembly, almost no effort on my part. Could I have made it entirely by myself? If I had actually wanted to, probably. It would mostly have been a matter of getting the right stock. Now, those machines I was working with were high class stuff and could easily have been replace with much cheaper equipment I could have bought myself. The computer programming is really the tough part and doing that at work would have been a snap. It really isn't difficult to make a gun and anyone with the right knowledge and some old equipment (available at auctions, not even hard to find) could crank them out in volume and with good quality. The only reason criminals aren't doing it now is because guns are cheaper to buy legally and then launder. If people suddenly can't get them so easily, it won't be people willing to break the law who are deprived of them.

I was actually getting ready to post a similar story. I've made full lowers before in my buddies machine shop and he made a majority of the upper. We had to buy some parts to make it easier but the essential things were done in under a hour.

I love the massive walls of txt cleaty tries to use to make people not reply back and shut him down as usual.

...and those guns had to be smuggled in from Ukraine via Belgium.

Ok so again it was easy for him to get the weapons. The ban on them did nothing as criminals were still using guns and killing unarmed citizens. Could a CC stop that attack? Maybe, like all things it comes down to being at the right place and the right time. It's impossible to say that a CC will stop all attacks as there will be chaos around them or their own body not use to reacting to something like that. Personally I wouldn't pull mine unless I had a clear shot and no one was running in my path. I wish I could remember the last shooting that happened during a parade or something but there was a shot that the media of course didn't mention but it showed a man covering his family with his body and holding his pistol in hit holster looking for additional danger till he saw the camera and acted like nothing happened. He is a perfect example of the vast majority of gun owners. It's also impossible to say that a ban on guns would of stopped this as acquiring them illegally is just as easy as getting one from a store. They are easy to make, transport and store. There are so many guns in America that removing them from this country is impossible.

[Judaism]

I agree that guns are inevitable and honestly it is besides the point. If people want to murder other people, surely they can do it by other means. The underlining problem is human nature, I would like to have a gun to be able to protect myself in a simular event.

You can buy a gun in my country fairly easy, I have not tried it myself but it has been tested out on various television programs where they easily obtained semi-automatic rifles. Our police forces are not equiped to combat these types of weapons at all. If some crazy **** would turn out here, it would be alot more difficult to combat, unlike the USA where people atleast can secure themselves in some degree.

Comparing casualties is fairly weird from my perspective, as Dutch people for example are so much different than Americans overall. I think we have much less conflicts going overall, mainly because our lifestyles do differ so much. You are not going to change complete countries by banning guns in a short period anyway.

[Claeyt]

your obviously suffering from severe mental distress and need to go read through your archived drivel. additionally "canada australia and europe" are not america with american social issues (inner city blacks who account for 14% of the population and make up over 50% of the murders in the country for example), your rate of being stabbed or beaten to death in those countries is also significantly higher.

and the reason nobody uses 3d printers to make their guns is because nobody needs to since they are freely available in most corners of the world, hence the reason all those places with "no guns" are still seeing people get shot.

are you saying we should finally close the mexican border so that all the mexican cartels dont start shipping south american military surplus along with their tractor trailers of narcotics? sounds pretty racist and xenophobic if ya ask me claeyt.

Triggered much?

France (20%), the UK (13%) and even Canada (16% minority) all have large minority populations compared to the U.S. (37%). What they don't have is a history of Slavery.

Mexico's gun death rate (7.36 per 100,000) is much less than the U.S. (10.8 per 100,000)

and the murder rate you stated is false. It's closer to 43%

They are easy to make, transport and store. There are so many guns in America that removing them from this country is impossible.

Comparing casualties is fairly weird from my perspective, as Dutch people for example are so much different than Americans overall. I think we have much less conflicts going overall, mainly because our lifestyles do differ so much. You are not going to change complete countries by banning guns in a short period anyway.

Guns can be slowly removed from Society. Australia and Canada have both proven this in the last 20 years. We share a huge unprotected border with Canada yet they have been able to slowly make it harder and harder to get access to a gun without a proper license. Australia and Canada both had very similar guns per-capita rates as the U.S. before they instituted strict laws and gutted their mass murder rate. In both of these countries you can "make" guns with 3-D printers or in machine shops yet they gun death rate and murder rates are very low compared to the U.S. (U.S. =10.8, Aus = .93, Can = 1.97). It can be done. It'll take time to get rid of them but it can be done. It's False to say that it can't be done.

As for the Netherlands Juda I can pretty much guarantee it's harder to get a gun there as it is here. You can literally go to Walmart here and buy a gun the same day. You actually have one of the largest minority rates in Europe in the Netherlands at 17% but one of the lowest gun death rates in the world at .58 per 100,000 people. You live in one the safest countries in the world and your gun death rate is 1/20- that of the United States. You shouldn't feel the need to own a gun.

The important thing to remember for any country is that the harder you make it to own a gun the safer everyone is. If it's hard to buy a gun or qualify to own a gun then it's even harder for nut jobs like this shooter or any of the shooters we've had over the last couple of years to get a gun. If we require something as simple as the equivalent of a driving license to own a gun in America like Canada does we would all be safer.

[Darwoth]

your obviously suffering from severe mental distress and need to go read through your archived drivel. additionally "canada australia and europe" are not america with american social issues (inner city blacks who account for 14% of the population and make up over 50% of the murders in the country for example), your rate of being stabbed or beaten to death in those countries is also significantly higher.

and the reason nobody uses 3d printers to make their guns is because nobody needs to since they are freely available in most corners of the world, hence the reason all those places with "no guns" are still seeing people get shot.

are you saying we should finally close the mexican border so that all the mexican cartels dont start shipping south american military surplus along with their tractor trailers of narcotics? sounds pretty racist and xenophobic if ya ask me claeyt.

Triggered much?

France (20%), the UK (13%) and even Canada (16% minority) all have large minority populations compared to the U.S. (37%). What they don't have is a history of Slavery.

Mexico's gun death rate (7.36 per 100,000) is much less than the U.S. (10.8 per 100,000)

and the murder rate you stated is false. It's closer to 43%

is that what you do now? say "lol triggered!" when you look like an idiot and 20 different people are telling you your stupid?

also as you know i did not say anything about "immigrants" so your attempt at spin failed again. i said inner city blacks, (which by the way are not "immigrants" as of about 250 years ago ) . in america. this country. which is the one being discussed. the other minority groups in this country are not the ones that make up 55% of the homicide rate, were you to transplant all of chicago, detroit and washington DC to canada you would have to spout a 15 ream scroll of ***** to avoid facing facts again.

[Darwoth]

oh the picture just loaded! and claeyt posts another screen grab of well spun ***** where all of the 30 million mexican illegals and blacks with a white (or hispanic) parent are categorized under "white" to skew the results, they have been doing this **** since 2000 - 2005 or so......

the ratios change yearly jackass, it has hovered above 50% for the last 30 years and that is just how it is.

as if at the end of the day the original point would be any less poignant whether that 14% segment of the population commited 55% or 45% of the murders.

your so predictable in your crap it is just annoying at this point.

[Claeyt]

oh the picture just loaded! and claeyt posts another screen grab of well spun ***** where all of the 30 million mexican illegals and blacks with a white (or hispanic) parent are categorized under "white" to skew the results, they have been doing this **** since 2000 - 2005 or so......

the ratios change yearly jackass, it has hovered above 50% for the last 30 years and that is just how it is.

your so predictable in your crap it is just annoying at this point.

This Table was constructed by the FBI. You can deny facts as much as you want. That doesn't make you right.

[Darwoth]

oh the picture just loaded! and claeyt posts another screen grab of well spun ***** where all of the 30 million mexican illegals and blacks with a white (or hispanic) parent are categorized under "white" to skew the results, they have been doing this **** since 2000 - 2005 or so......

the ratios change yearly jackass, it has hovered above 50% for the last 30 years and that is just how it is.

your so predictable in your crap it is just annoying at this point.

This Table was constructed by the FBI. You can deny facts as much as you want. That doesn't make you right.

no that is a small fraction of the "FBI statistics" and as i said since at least the early 2000's they lumped anything that has white or hispanic into it under "white" including millions of mixed blacks.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand in spite of it all the best table you could find was "only" 43%

thanks for proving me correct again claeyt, it never gets old even though you do.

[Claeyt]

thanks for proving me correct again claeyt.

False: You have never been right.

[TotalyMeow]

France. Another country terrorized by muslims.

...and those guns had to be smuggled in from Ukraine via Belgium.

So, you admit that you're wrong and forbidding guns will do very little to stop criminals from getting guns.

As I post these numbers for you, Darwoth, Tmeow and Infinity I hope you guys can finally understand just how extremely out of touch the 4 of you and your beliefs are with the average America.

55% of Americans believed Gay people should be able to marry compared to 35% who don't back in 2014. That number has only risen.

75% of Americans believe that you should not be able to discriminate in employment or housing based on sexual orientation. Currently America is the only modern industrial country that allows gay people to be fired from their job just for being gay.

Aren't there a couple modern industrial countries that allow gay people to be executed? I think the US is actually coming along pretty well when it comes to treating people fairly.

But that's not the point I was making, much as you want it to be. I have nothing against gay people and think they should be treated no differently from anyone else. What annoys me a bit is the insistence that being gay is something that needs to be publicized and paraded about and be proud of. It's just a personality trait and it's kinda a private one. It boggles my mind that you or anyone else identify your friends by the category 'gay' or 'not gay', as if it's important that everyone know that. I don't want to know. I don't want to know if your friends have foot fetishes or enjoy **** either.

France's gun murder rate is 1/4 that of America's. France's mass murder rate as defined by the FBI as 3 or more deaths by the same person on the same day is 1/10 that of America's.

It would be more telling to just compare straight murder rates. Also, France is nothing like the USA in so many ways that it's difficult to make a comparison and then claim that it's guns that are making the difference.

57% of Americans disagree with 'Bathroom Bills' that limit where and how Trans-gendered people can go.

I really really doubt your statistic here, but there's a recent thread for this. Go there.

False: Trump has dropped 7 points in the last 2 weeks in recent polling.

He's been nominated though, hasn't he. A 7 point variation right now doesn't mean a lot.

This doesn't happen in countries with rational gun laws.

So, you claimed something doesn't happen. I claimed it does. You brought out a bunch of statistics that show... I am right.

Then you are extremely outside the norm as an American:

89-92% of Americans want universal background checks

85% of Americans think we should close the gun show/craigslist gun sales loop holes.

82% of Gun Owners support more restrictions on owning a gun including tougher background checks.

All you're talking about is background checks, which I never said I was against. They're very easy to do and could be easily set up to be done for any sale.

Maybe you can't relate to, empathize with or think about the gay community like that but I can. I don't have that many friends who are gay. A quick glance at my Facebook page would probably come up maybe 5-10% as gay.

You're so self-righteous. Just because I wouldn't ban Darwoth for using the word '****', you assume I hate any and all gay people.

What a blow hard. Again, like I said above. She wanted to kick your ass for me but I would have fought your dumb ass either way but you ***** out.

But don't you think it's a little creepy you wanted to meet Darwoth in a gay bar and have him beat up a woman? I mean, really, who would show up for that?

False: Armed societies as I pointed out above have the highest murder rates and the most crime per capita.

That's really not been proven in any study that I've ever seen. I have looked.

As for homemade guns, 3-D printed guns and anything else there is an easy solution. Make it illegal to make, print these types of guns. Gun bans and serious gun restrictions and laws have worked in every major European country, Australia, Canada, Japan. This is just proven. It's no longer an argument.

It won't work. And it hasn't been proven. For example, you can find studies that show the crime rate of Australia has gone down since the gun ban, yes, but if you look at the previous years, it was already going down at the same rate before the guns were banned. Something else caused it.