America

[Flame]

What i often think of Usa is: "If i were born in the Usa, would i be the same as them?"
Sadly, the answer is yes.

Sadly, because i feel that the only reason to be alive is to be slightly useful for the world, not merely live or eat or have comfort. And in the Usa, this illusion is so strong that i could "fullfill" this feeling without do a single right action in that direction.
Usa is a gigantic luna park where everything is on a set, above the freedom word.
To me, freedom is have a right and strong law that free myself from bigger problems like food, criminals and justice. I don't have to take a gun to defend myself. Is the law that have to do that for me. I don't have to kick my boss in order to get the right payment, is the law that have to do it. Basically, if i live in a State, i order to the state to do his job, otherwise i've no reason to listen to him or respect him or live there. Comfort is not a reason.
If the law can't, then i would prefer a survivalist life style somewhere next the lions. I quite love to have things clear around me.

Freedom in Usa is more near to "Low responsibilities to the state" than actual private freedom. Sure. Run with your tits exposed is freedom, but i sorta think that it's just an useless candy, without value.
But if i were born there, i could say that?

Surely not.
Freedom is charming and knowing nothing about outside of my country will close my mind over that "freedom" stuff. I would grow with the idea that my country is the most free ones, the best one, or almost surely the righter one. I would vote for people that "saves others country from dictators", without recognize a dictator from a regular elected dude. And i would feel so cool, so proud, because i'm helping the human specie to grow better.
I would be trapped by my belief, in the country of freedom of being ignorant.

Hard to discuss to a population that really know nothing about outside. It just lack of enough knowledge to have a comparison, so inner belief grows so strong than blind.

This would be perfectly fine, though, if Usa were not the bigger state that puts his hands over other states every single day. If it wasn't bothering anyone, i could care nothing about his inner believes, even when are just toys. If people are happy, also a lie is fine.
But people outside Usa, aren't happy, and Usa is too much deeper involved in this to ignore it. So, the freedom lie smell nasty and i'm here writing a useless post against a population that can't see behind the lines. Even if you'll be intrigued to know more or will start to look at what's outside your country, that would not be enough to solve the problem. So this is useless.
Luckly, i find quite easy to do useless things.

Said so, now that i'm adult i would work in the Usa, 'cuz i can use his system and take advantage of it without lose my humanity. Just like in China you can find cheap work, in Usa is easier to start a company.
Yet, i would not live there.

[Tulgarath]

Flame, don't group every one in the same mentality.

As the world should see by this election year, if it's covered outside our borders, the country is deeply divided in every topic. I'm not sure anyone can get a pulse on the USA, especially those 'leaders' that make policy to effect the rest of the world.

[Kandarim]

right now, in Belgian press, the American voting year is not making a very good impression, what with Trump being shown as a likely outcome. I don't have the time nor interest to look into it in detail, but it doesn't speak of common sense the way it is portrayed in the media here.

That said, Belgium is not making too good of an impression either, I'd say Silly airport people.

[Tulgarath]

right now, in Belgian press, the American voting year is not making a very good impression, what with Trump being shown as a likely outcome. I don't have the time nor interest to look into it in detail, but it doesn't speak of common sense the way it is portrayed in the media here.

That said, Belgium is not making too good of an impression either, I'd say Silly airport people.

I don't think it's really making a great impression here either.

[saltmummy]

Flame, don't group every one in the same mentality.

Don't bother Tulgarath, I've tried debating with him many times on many occasions about America, you might as well have not even tried for all the chance you'll change his mind. The only argument that ever shuts him up about it is "You don't live here, I do, how would you know better than me about my own country?" According to one argument I had with him on one occasion two years ago, he believes that taking pride in my country is somehow morally wrong in the extreme, and somehow makes me a terrible person. A few months later, he attacked me on the subject of the American military, despite the fact that I am not a soldier, have never been, and have no plans to join up. His argument being that the American military is some kind of criminal organization bent on controlling Italy. I'm not screwing around either, flame actually shared with me his unwavering belief that my country is planning to invade his. every year I have to deal with at least one attack on me and my country from somebody who is my friend. More over, FLAME HAS VISITED AMERICA, he should know at least a little better than the crap he spouts about a country he doesn't live in and has never lived in. I don't talk crap about other countries, I've never been to them so how would I know? I only know what I've encountered, which is very little. From what I have learned about Italy from flame and other friends we have over there, it's a nice place, but it is a place where life is almost the same as life is over here. I've even asked about various laws or public government functions, they are almost exactly the same. Kids hate their parents over there just like they hate their parents over here. The cost of living and services are just about the same too. Even the laws are almost the same.

It is a sad sad fact that the world believes all Americans are warmongering corrupt world police, and I wish, I really wish, that I could do something to remedy that but I really don't think I have the time or the ability.

[belgear]

trump is supported by like 1/7th of the people >.> with like (somewhere around) 1/3 of people being 'willing' ("better him than them") to vote for him.

a huge difference between USAmericans and other countries' peoples is we are not afraid to admit our ignorance to others' cultures and plights, where as apparently everyone born outside of the USA is an expert on the USA

[Judaism]

a huge difference between USAmericans and other countries' peoples is we are not afraid to admit our ignorance to others' cultures and plights, where as apparently everyone born outside of the USA is an expert on the USA

Thats one way to put it.

[saltmummy]

a huge difference between USAmericans and other countries' peoples is we are not afraid to admit our ignorance to others' cultures and plights, where as apparently everyone born outside of the USA is an expert on the USA

Truer words have never been spoken on this matter. I wish I could have been that succinct.

[Flame]

I would own the knowledge of the Word to prevent any mistake, but i'm aware i don't, so i apologie early.

Many things you said, Mummy, are incorrect, but if that's what i "told" to you, then it's my fault. Not "wrong", but incorrect. My mood is not scared from the USA and i'm not tearing my hairs off in paranoia. Is just that i look the world from outside (my country too) and i try to look at his movements rationally.
What makes Usa a trouble is the export of his economic system, that leads to his government system. Economy comes first, and it's a global economy system, so needs to be exported globally. That's the main reasons why it bother others, since in order to exist it needs to bother others. A few of those ways are quite dangerous (wars), but until we'll be ally, i'm indeed not shaking at the think of USA bombing me tomorrow. Indeed i don't like other ways though, which are to export their laws into my country, since those work in the USA, not outside USA, breaking the balance achieved by other countries. There is this weird think that USA democratic system is the best social system in the world (this think is sort of supported by all occidental people, italians too), so it can be exported. Actually, i think that a good system is a system that makes people happy. That's all. So there is no right to export rules on countries that are completely different from USA.

I just like to know things and understand them. I will not stop in front of a stereotipe of "mmuricas are illiterate and obese". I'll always try to know from where that stereotipe comes from and what's behind it and what it covers.

The reason Usa is not having a war with Italy, anyway, is that there's no gain from it for thousands of reasons. I'm quite calm at say that alliance aren't a matter of love or ideals, but a matter of convenience. And i don't feel this as wrong, since rules and governments needs fact above emotions.
What i don't like, though, is when economy abandon any kind of ideal or moral and becomes pure Math (even if economy isn't a science but just a supposition). This turns a big country like USA into a massive hassle for whoever is outside USA.
But this is just a fact. If i think USA i think the big green piece of map in the Risk! paper and all his rules and government system and social system. That's my way to "judge" a country, and people are just fuel for the system they live on. I don't think that people have any power to change it, and i don't trust in the illusion that "you, alone, can change the world".
So i'm not asking to the americans to kill themselves or any other dumb "racist" thing, since i don't hate them at all.
We sometimes talked about what i think is the fuel for this system, but this would not give you the chance to change it.

I can well see that there are 2 kind of "humans".
The Mass of Humans and the Single Human.

The Mass is always the sum of the worst, since the good things are splitted and don't sum very well. The worst always have greater evidence, everybody get shocked and look at it. In this way, no one is watching the good things, so the Mass of Human show what's below the average of a small group of humans.
Then the single human have all the potential of any regular human, and often have more good traits than bad traits. This makes you think "Then, why they continue the war if they don't want it?"
Is a mix of both Mass and No-Power-At-All. They simply can't stop it, since the government think it's needed to refuel the economic system. If people says "NO", they will do it in a less aggressive and spectacular way. But they will do it, since the system ask it.
So no guilty to the people itself, and government is made by people. All i can judge is that they "lack" a bit of overlooking to the future, but that's reasonable, since the system could work for many ages still, before become unsustainable.

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"a huge difference between USAmericans and other countries' peoples is we are not afraid to admit our ignorance to others' cultures and plights"

On a last point, you did the same mistake you're claiming to me. I'm Italian, but i'm not Italy. Since i'm one of the few italians that speak in this forum, i'm sure i'm far from being a representation of my country people.
You will often hear an italian offend his own land, saying things like: "italian people are all thieves, stupid and bad. We are ruled by nepotist attitude, we are always late in everything and we are all corrupted".
From what i know from a book written by an expert in commercial trading, we italians looks like one of the few country that doesn't feels superior to others countries. (That's also why we hates french so much. We are quite the opposite.)
Yet, i'm not Italy, so i don't have to stick to this mass attitude that my country does.

I study, i like to know and i like to guess. And i like to share what i guess, hearthlessly, in the hope to gain more info to improve my knowledge.
What i know is what Economy, Social System, History, told me. It's indeed quite cynical, but i see no point on use emotions when i'm talking about technical things.
So none of you americans should be offended, because we aren't talking about some horrorific mass of human murderers. I don't judge Isis, neither, so indeed i don't judge USA people.
All i do is look at a big problem and try to point out what are the mayor problems.

The freedom mechanism is one of the best net to stick the people in an attitude, that i've ever seen in history. That's indeed of my interest, so.

[Strakknuva225]