Brussels terror attacks

[Strakknuva225]

What exactly would Trump do to prevent stuff like this?

Pretty simple

He'd threaten to make a tax-free return of all corporate and personal monies abroad back into the US... if you don't 'toe my line'...

The many Trillions US dollars floating abroad by rich US citizens trying avoid harsh penalties in the US... if they could return all that wealth to the US w/o penalty... (and the EU would LOSE trillions of investment monies)...

Yeah... I think EU would grovel at Trump's feet and do pretty much whatever he wanted. Period... Here ends the EU as an independent entity.

lol k.

[Flame]

Period... Here ends the EU as an independent entity.

Really?
I... still have to see a single day of independent entity from EU. XDD

Anyway, know what they are Now is only partially usefull. Know why they've become such strong, compared to other minority, is a must know. We did our part in this, that's why i suggest to know their story to avoid the same mistake in the future. If there will be any chance for us to, actually, have any political power, which prolly there will not.

I've asked, along with a vast mayority of other italians, to NOT join the war (back when Isis was not there, around 15 years ago) also because our costitution says that Italy CANT join a war if is not under attack, but when murica ask to drop some bomb, EU have to do it with or without people agreement. Too bad that "democracy" is a soft dictature, but even so, i think one should know well what happens around him and why things born or die. Then, maybe, we'll never be able to turns our thinks into actual politic power (expecially when are geo-politic matters), but i see no reason to just ignore everything and grow ignorant.

The main world religion have been there for 1000+ years. I'm pretty much sure you can see that this particular time moment MUST have a deeper reasons than a difference in religions, to explain the terrorism.
You should not focus on what they are NOW, but more in what have caused them to born and grow. I think you can see the difference, and also Why this is MORE important than the final result.
It all starts in the end of 2th world war. From there, you can study and see our mistakes in the years since now, that let a small terrorist group Grow enough to endanger us.

Since we are not the cop, we can't shoot at random people in our personal anti-terroristic war. We don't have the engines to know who is a terrorist and who is not. A personal war would be more dangerous than the terrorist.

So, what we can do, is learn how this happened and prepare ourselves better next time, with the ability to understand what's happening outside (and inside) our country.

[Strakknuva225]

Period... Here ends the EU as an independent entity.

Really?
I... still have to see a single day of independent entity from EU. XDD

Anyway, know what they are Now is only partially usefull. Know why they've become such strong, compared to other minority, is a must know. We did our part in this, that's why i suggest to know their story to avoid the same mistake in the future. If there will be any chance for us to, actually, have any political power, which prolly there will not.

I've asked, along with a vast mayority of other italians, to NOT join the war (back when Isis was not there, around 15 years ago) also because our costitution says that Italy CANT join a war if is not under attack, but when murica ask to drop some bomb, EU have to do it with or without people agreement. Too bad that "democracy" is a soft dictature, but even so, i think one should know well what happens around him and why things born or die. Then, maybe, we'll never be able to turns our thinks into actual politic power (expecially when are geo-politic matters), but i see no reason to just ignore everything and grow ignorant.

The main world religion have been there for 1000+ years. I'm pretty much sure you can see that this particular time moment MUST have a deeper reasons than a difference in religions, to explain the terrorism.
You should not focus on what they are NOW, but more in what have caused them to born and grow. I think you can see the difference, and also Why this is MORE important than the final result.
It all starts in the end of 2th world war. From there, you can study and see our mistakes in the years since now, that let a small terrorist group Grow enough to endanger us.

Since we are not the cop, we can't shoot at random people in our personal anti-terroristic war. We don't have the engines to know who is a terrorist and who is not. A personal war would be more dangerous than the terrorist.

So, what we can do, is learn how this happened and prepare ourselves better next time, with the ability to understand what's happening outside (and inside) our country.

To me this is more convoluted than christmas lights with a herd of rats stuck in it, soo I'll respond how I've managed to understand this.

It is very much confirmed that these terrorist groups formed because of difference in religion. Want proof? You can hear it from the horse's mouth, when representatives of these groups say that everybody and everything would be perfect if everything's converted to islam. That's what the basis is for jihad, to conquer the heathens and convert to islam by use of violence.

If you believe that this started after the Second World War, I'd like to point out that there were conflicts between christian (now western) and islamic nations were way before that.

At this point I had a hard time decyphering what he meant about the "not being a cop" point, etc.

As the citizen of your nation, it isn't your responsibility to take action in a situation like this. That's what the government is there for, for the benefit of the citizen.

[Suffragium]

It's like Nostradamus predicted. Europe is getting run over by the middle east. How do you fight the enemy when they live amongst you?

[Flame]

Wait.

You just don't want to read a book or two to expand your knowledge. You could easily come up with your knowledge and say "this is the story, i know it, and i think you're wrong" if you care to have right in a proper way.

In a generic speaking, humans kills each others for hate-famine-religion & power reasons.
Fine. Perfect.

Can we go over the stereotipe and look at the specific historic situation? To do so, we have to study what happened in that land since 2th world war, when Europe splitted and puzzled the land, causing strong inner conflict.
And then, all the push from america & europe to crush inner government of those areas giving money and weapons to small terroristic groups.
Then how this turned against us, after over 20 years or america/europe gaming of power.

Simplify the Isis like a "violence religion faction" is blind and dangerous for ourselves. Isis have born for a very specific sequence of events, and even if we'll win this battle, our dears government could create another Isis with the same greedy politic the day after, thinking that "the plan can be fixed a bit and it will work again".

Is more like if you're stomping on a roach and you don't care to know where the nest is, and where they got the food to grow so much. Are you really hoping to erase the roach infestation with a bandage on your eyes?
That's why i say "Study your enemy, know his story, and you'll find more than a single obvious enemy".
Not know this, will make you uneffective in this situation.

[Darwoth]

another few months gone by and another islamic mass murder in europe, and another pile of hand wringing replies from the subjugated masses seeking to make excuses for their new masters. not even worth replying to at this point beyond pointing out the obvious disgust such absurdity generates.

[Strakknuva225]

Wait.

You just don't want to read a book or two to expand your knowledge. You could easily come up with your knowledge and say "this is the story, i know it, and i think you're wrong" if you care to have right in a proper way.

In a generic speaking, humans kills each others for hate-famine-religion & power reasons.
Fine. Perfect.

Can we go over the stereotipe and look at the specific historic situation? To do so, we have to study what happened in that land since 2th world war, when Europe splitted and puzzled the land, causing strong inner conflict.
And then, all the push from america & europe to crush inner government of those areas giving money and weapons to small terroristic groups.
Then how this turned against us, after over 20 years or america/europe gaming of power.

Simplify the Isis like a "violence religion faction" is blind and dangerous for ourselves. Isis have born for a very specific sequence of events, and even if we'll win this battle, our dears government could create another Isis with the same greedy politic the day after, thinking that "the plan can be fixed a bit and it will work again".

Is more like if you're stomping on a roach and you don't care to know where the nest is, and where they got the food to grow so much. Are you really hoping to erase the roach infestation with a bandage on your eyes?
That's why i say "Study your enemy, know his story, and you'll find more than a single obvious enemy".
Not know this, will make you uneffective in this situation.

Alright, you're talking about the Cold War and how the USA funded Mujah-adin whom later became the Taliban, now I got it.

However, there is no denying the fact that middle-eastern terror groups like ISIS gain their power from the religion of islam. I doubt this needs mentioning, but ISIS has only recently formed in comparison to the Taliban whom had their streak of activity before becoming a moderately active group and the two don't share similair history. However, local recruiting is very much based around the religion.

South Korea was used as much of a proxy as the Mujah-adin was, soo what do we know.

Out of curiosity, you speak of studying the enemy and other rhetoric that implies you know what the solution to this problem is. Soo what is it?

[Inotdead]

there is no denying the fact that middle-eastern terror groups like ISIS gain their power from the religion of islam

It takes more than a religious fervor to make a wave with such amplitude. There are things like hierarchy, logistics, supplies, provisions,.. etc.etc.
I am more inclined to think that the ones on top of that food chain care less about religion and more about political and/or economical reasons.

[Strakknuva225]

there is no denying the fact that middle-eastern terror groups like ISIS gain their power from the religion of islam

It takes more than a religious fervor to make a wave with such amplitude. There are things like hierarchy, logistics, supplies, provisions,.. etc.etc.
I am more inclined to think that the ones on top of that food chain care less about religion and more about political and/or economical reasons.

Likely, but those down below are bound by religious fervor.

[Claeyt]

This is the point where I point out how small the percent of the muslim population actually is in Europe. No Western or Central European country has a muslim population over 8%. India's Muslim population is 13.5%. Russia's 11.7%. EU as a whole is only 6% and is only expected to rise to 8% by 2030.

Here's a list of countries with muslim's as a percent of population:

France: 7.5% (and they've been above 5% since the 70's)
Austira: 6.8%
Denmark 4.1%
Finland: less than 1% with a projection of growth to 1.8% by 2030
Germany: 5%
Italy: 2.6%
Belgium: 5.9%
Netherlands: 5.5%
Norway: 3%
Sweden: 4.9%
UK: 4.6%
Czech Republic: less than 1%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

Other facts about Muslims in Europe:

There are 3 majority Muslim countries in Europe:
1. Kosovo: 91.7%
2. Albania: 58.7%
3. Turkey 96.7%

The oldest Mosque in Europe is 1200 years old. (The oldest known confirmed Christian church in Europe is only 1700 years old. Oldest unconfirmed is 1900 years old.)

10% of all Muslim recent refugees have returned to a neighboring country of their origin or to their home country IN THE LAST YEAR.

At the current rate of refugee immigration to Europe it will take approximately 400 years for Muslim's to gain 51% of the population and would mean that the entire Muslim populations of the Middle East and Africa would have had to move to Europe.

DON'T LET THEM USE FEAR AND EXAGGERATIONS TO MAKE YOU THINK WITHOUT RATION OR COMPASSION.