I'm Back From Eternal Exile In the Black Desert of Despair!

[Dallane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAVs_S97mXQ

[Tomki]

You're trying to bash Trump, but where is your actual evidence of why he'll be a bad president? I'd seriously like to see it.

For now, I'm thinking it very likely that Hillary wins the Dem nomination, Trump gets the GOP, and goes on the win the election. I do think he'll be a surprisingly better president that some people think.

You're an idiot if you think Trump would make a good president. He's an embarrassment to the country and the presidential election. He'd be a horrible, horrible president and divide the nation like no other. He lies/exaggerates/is ignorant of so many things that it's simply dangerous to view him as a possibility of becoming president.

There's absolutely no way he wins the presidency. He's 15 pts back from Hilary and 20 from Bernie. He has 58% of Americans saying that they would never vote for him... EVER. He loses Georgia to Hillary, He loses North Carolina to Hillary, He even loses Texas.... TEXAS to Bernie Sanders in a head to head and almost loses it to Hillary.

You want reasons why he's an embarrassment, Here you go:

1. He has repeatedly called for banning all Muslim immigarants (students/refugees/applications for citizenship) to America. Not only is this against the Constitution it has alienated our Allies, and the entire world with his bigoted *****.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide ... e-us-video

Why do you think people are turning against muslims all over the world? Are you blind or ignorant? Just look at the recent news and events..

2. He called Mexican illegal immigrants rapists and drug dealers even though they don't rape or deal drugs at any greater rate. He has repeatedly spouted bigoted remarks against Mexican-Americans/Univision/The Spanish Language and Mexico in general. This has led to a horrifying fascist/violent response in America in so many ways, from children taunting Mexican-American fellow students to violently rascist groups like the KKK, Stormfront, and many other hate groups coming out in public support of his poisonous bile.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-20 ... s-rapists/

Statistics don't lie. You can try to bend them to fit your world view but you are only fooling yourself by doing it. Of course most people are not that bad. it's a matter of taking risks in life. And as far as I know you still have a freedom of speech and can speak out your opinion in Murica..

3. He has debased every possible aspect of the presidential election, which has led to a lowering of the bar to new levels, even for the Republican party. He's repeatedly used exaggeration and flat out lies in not only the debates but also in his stump speeches. He's called for violence at his rallies and at the convention if he's denied the nomination. This is as close as we've come to a fascist demagogue in our national elections.

And politicians don't lie and exaggerate generally? Oh please.. There are times when a strong leader is needed.

4. His campaign openly welcomes volunteer support from hate groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyFhQkd5ik
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... affic.html

Who has defined these groups "hate groups". Leftist politicians and biased media? Wouldn't you accept support from different groups to help win elections?

5. He has refused to learn anything about foreign policy. He is abjectly ignorant of World politics and has called for America to leave NATO, Invade Syria, go to war with Iran and many, many other foolish things.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop- ... ser-220853

Partially agreed. I think most US politicians don't know much about foreign countries. I still think it's more valuable to focus on those areas you can influence and NATO was created when the world was different.

6. His views on women are bizarre, misogynistic and demeaning in the extreme. His statements towards women and women's issues are not only ignorant but simply bigoted. I won't even go into his demeaning speeches about his much younger 3rd wife who used to be a nude model or his ignorant treatment of Megyn Kelly from Fox News or how he just rated some of the female reporters at one of his press conferences based on how hot they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

Is this a crime of some sort? I think using a gender or race card shouldn't give you a special treatment if you behave arrogantly or offensively. You reap what you sow. Everyone should be treated equally.

There are hundreds of reasons I could post (Trump U, his bankruptcies, how his Dad and he were repeatedly sued for not renting to black people during the 70's and 80's, etc...etc...)

Again, I think you still have rights in US.. I have rented apartments and I took a careful background check on all the applicants to make sure my property would be as safe as possible. Should I take alcoholics and drug users primarily against my own will if I know my property will be damaged?

You should be embarrassed that you support him and it says a lot about all of you at MM that you'd actually even consider supporting him.

I surely hope all you Trump bashers will move out from US if he is chosen. I promise there will be a lot of intellectual hard workers willing to abandon Europe and move into States should that happen.

I honestly don't mind if he wins, in fact I HOPE he wins the Republican nomination and then simply loses hard in the general election. It basically means the loss of the presidency to either Bernie OR Hillary by at least 10% of the popular vote. It means the loss of the Senate and possibly the house as polls are showing that around 30% of Republicans will refuse to vote for him and that'll reflect on the down ticket candidates on the Republican ticket. In fact his nomination or denial at the Republican convention could very well destroy the Republican party as we know it and damage their brand for a generation with Latino and moderate voters.

The only reason I'm fighting his nomination is that there is a very, very small, minute but real chance at either a massive major terrorist attack or increasingly unlikely massive drop in the economy that might scare enough people into voting for this fascist small fingered vulgarian and that infinitesimally small chance is what I'm fighting against. That puny possibility is how fascism destroys America in another timeline of this universe and I'm fighting it now in case something happens, god forbid.

[Lazun123]

Trump is an embarrassment to our country. When he dose give solutions, its the kind of response somebody who has watched the news for 10mins, and assumes he knows what is going on.

I dont know about everybody else here, but my generation went to Afghanistan and Iraq, Afghanistan was a product of the cold war and the US intervention with the world, Iraq was a complete BS war that has created more issues. Im not going to vote for people who are going to keep sending the young and poor to fight for some BS war.

Im not a socialist, I work 54hours a week and i get taxed, 44% of my commission and bonuses and make a good living, and yet i still believe Sanders is a MUCH better choice then HRC or Trump. His intentions are truly to better the middle class.

[Inotdead]

Considering your other options are a socialist grandpa or a criminal whos place is in prison I still think Trump is your best bet

Also, obligatory:
stfu Claeyt

[Claeyt]

You're trying to bash Trump, but where is your actual evidence of why he'll be a bad president? I'd seriously like to see it.

For now, I'm thinking it very likely that Hillary wins the Dem nomination, Trump gets the GOP, and goes on the win the election. I do think he'll be a surprisingly better president that some people think.

You're an idiot if you think Trump would make a good president. He's an embarrassment to the country and the presidential election. He'd be a horrible, horrible president and divide the nation like no other. He lies/exaggerates/is ignorant of so many things that it's simply dangerous to view him as a possibility of becoming president.

There's absolutely no way he wins the presidency. He's 15 pts back from Hilary and 20 from Bernie. He has 58% of Americans saying that they would never vote for him... EVER. He loses Georgia to Hillary, He loses North Carolina to Hillary, He even loses Texas.... TEXAS to Bernie Sanders in a head to head and almost loses it to Hillary.

You want reasons why he's an embarrassment, Here you go:

1. He has repeatedly called for banning all Muslim immigarants (students/refugees/applications for citizenship) to America. Not only is this against the Constitution it has alienated our Allies, and the entire world with his bigoted *****.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide ... e-us-video

Why do you think people are turning against muslims all over the world? Are you blind or ignorant? Just look at the recent news and events..

2. He called Mexican illegal immigrants rapists and drug dealers even though they don't rape or deal drugs at any greater rate. He has repeatedly spouted bigoted remarks against Mexican-Americans/Univision/The Spanish Language and Mexico in general. This has led to a horrifying fascist/violent response in America in so many ways, from children taunting Mexican-American fellow students to violently rascist groups like the KKK, Stormfront, and many other hate groups coming out in public support of his poisonous bile.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-20 ... s-rapists/

Statistics don't lie. You can try to bend them to fit your world view but you are only fooling yourself by doing it. Of course most people are not that bad. it's a matter of taking risks in life. And as far as I know you still have a freedom of speech and can speak out your opinion in Murica..

3. He has debased every possible aspect of the presidential election, which has led to a lowering of the bar to new levels, even for the Republican party. He's repeatedly used exaggeration and flat out lies in not only the debates but also in his stump speeches. He's called for violence at his rallies and at the convention if he's denied the nomination. This is as close as we've come to a fascist demagogue in our national elections.

And politicians don't lie and exaggerate generally? Oh please.. There are times when a strong leader is needed.

4. His campaign openly welcomes volunteer support from hate groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyFhQkd5ik
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... affic.html

Who has defined these groups "hate groups". Leftist politicians and biased media? Wouldn't you accept support from different groups to help win elections?

5. He has refused to learn anything about foreign policy. He is abjectly ignorant of World politics and has called for America to leave NATO, Invade Syria, go to war with Iran and many, many other foolish things.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop- ... ser-220853

Partially agreed. I think most US politicians don't know much about foreign countries. I still think it's more valuable to focus on those areas you can influence and NATO was created when the world was different.

6. His views on women are bizarre, misogynistic and demeaning in the extreme. His statements towards women and women's issues are not only ignorant but simply bigoted. I won't even go into his demeaning speeches about his much younger 3rd wife who used to be a nude model or his ignorant treatment of Megyn Kelly from Fox News or how he just rated some of the female reporters at one of his press conferences based on how hot they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

Is this a crime of some sort? I think using a gender or race card shouldn't give you a special treatment if you behave arrogantly or offensively. You reap what you sow. Everyone should be treated equally.

There are hundreds of reasons I could post (Trump U, his bankruptcies, how his Dad and he were repeatedly sued for not renting to black people during the 70's and 80's, etc...etc...)

Again, I think you still have rights in US.. I have rented apartments and I took a careful background check on all the applicants to make sure my property would be as safe as possible. Should I take alcoholics and drug users primarily against my own will if I know my property will be damaged?

You should be embarrassed that you support him and it says a lot about all of you at MM that you'd actually even consider supporting him.

I surely hope all you Trump bashers will move out from US if he is chosen. I promise there will be a lot of intellectual hard workers willing to abandon Europe and move into States should that happen.

I honestly don't mind if he wins, in fact I HOPE he wins the Republican nomination and then simply loses hard in the general election. It basically means the loss of the presidency to either Bernie OR Hillary by at least 10% of the popular vote. It means the loss of the Senate and possibly the house as polls are showing that around 30% of Republicans will refuse to vote for him and that'll reflect on the down ticket candidates on the Republican ticket. In fact his nomination or denial at the Republican convention could very well destroy the Republican party as we know it and damage their brand for a generation with Latino and moderate voters.

The only reason I'm fighting his nomination is that there is a very, very small, minute but real chance at either a massive major terrorist attack or increasingly unlikely massive drop in the economy that might scare enough people into voting for this fascist small fingered vulgarian and that infinitesimally small chance is what I'm fighting against. That puny possibility is how fascism destroys America in another timeline of this universe and I'm fighting it now in case something happens, god forbid.

This is where not only Trump, but fascists, radical nationalists and you, Tomki are simply using exaggeration, lies and the debasement of a history of peaceful internationalism in Europe and America since WWII to your own views.

1. People all over the world don't hate Muslims. This is categorical false and is a reflection of your own personal bias as the largest refugee crisis/economic disparity since WWII is happening. The world is part Muslim. 1.6 billion of them. Almost all live peacefully in somewhat regular prosperity in places like Indonesia, India, Albania, Morocco, Zanzibar. Their lives differ slightly from your's in Finland or mine in the U.S. but not radically. They go to school or work and although their country may be slightly monetarily poorer than ours it's not by much. There is an upheaval in the government systems of the middle-east right now. There is revolution, war, refugees fleeing and an overall change in the way people live there. This is what you are seeing when you see male refugees coming to your country in droves looking to work so as to bring their families with them. They are not terrorists. ISIS is using the moment to scare Europeans. The answer is for the Muslim communities to adapt to their new countries and help their children become part of their new countries and for these European countries to engage with the Muslim communities to relieve the fever of extremism. This has been the only thing that works. There's a reason they are bombing Belgium and not Finland.

2. Statistics? This is stupid and shows how the lies and exaggerations of Trump have burrowed into the conscience of those with bias. Mexican-Americans AND Mexican immigrants both rape less than White-Americans. 71% if all rapes in America were by white men (63% of men), 9% by Latino's (17% of men). It's even less for illegal immigrants.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ans-119849

3. Trump is not a strong leader. He is an ignorant slum-lord who has zero ideas and is just spouting what he thinks the Republican base wants to hear. He is weak because he is dumb. There is a difference between the lies and exaggerations Trump is making versus the usual exaggerations of policy the Democrats and Republicans make (such as 'Lowering taxes on the rich will lead to economic growth'). What Trump says is categorically and factually false.

4. No, you don't accept the help or endorsement of the KKK if you are running for president in this country. That would be like accepting the help of Neo-Nazi's in Europe. It shows how much Trump is absolutely unfit to serve as president of America and why so many Republican's are against him.

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6. It is a crime against serious, reasoned thought in America. Misogyny has zero reason to be in the political debate in America in the 21st century. The 'Cuckhold Memes', the Megyn Kelly interviews, the 'Barking Hillary' commercials all show how absolutely bizarre Trump's ideas about women actually are.

7. You can deny anyone a rental in America for alcohol use or perceived drug use. There are a lot of reasons you can't deny them and those includes constitutional protected rights such as religion and legally protected reasons such as race or sex.

America will no longer function if he becomes president in some bizarro world timeline. He will not have congress with him. He will not have the executive branch with him. He will not have the military with him. He will be alone. That being said, I still don't think he's going to even get the Republican nomination. It's looking more and more that he's going to be denied the needed delegates to achieve a majority and that he won't win the needed delegates in a convention. That being said, IF the small base of the republican electorate who agrees with him do get him the delegates, He's still losing by the largest initial margin in head to head match-ups with both of the Democratic nominees in the history of modern polling.

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Europeans (and many Americans) don't actually understand how American elections work. Trump has achieved an average of 40% of total Republican voters in the Republican primaries/caucuses. This equates to around 15% of the total voters in the last Presidential election (there is lower turnout in primaries/caucuses and the republicans took 47% of the total vote last election). Each state has a different way of holding their primaries or caucuses to delegate voters, or 'delegates' to the convention as determined by the state parties. Some are open elections (which technically are illegal under Republican party rules and can be contested and thrown out of the convention). Some of the primaries are basically meaningless and the party assigned delegates can vote how they want. Some are caucuses where people have to show up and wait in chairs for hours to vote in an open meeting room. Some are proportional assigning of delegates. Some are winner take all of delegates. The delegates Trump wins are not members of Trump's campaign. They are usually party workers and other dignitaries of the Republican party and the delegates he does win are only obligated to vote for him in the 1st ballot of the convention. The Republican party is already using these state conventions to assign non-Trump delegates. These state conventions are happening around now through May. This means that if Trump does not have a majority of the delegates 'assigned to vote for him' going into the convention HE DOESN'T WIN THE NOMINATION and the Republican party explodes as his supporters cry "foul" and the convention chooses someone else who may actually have a chance of winning.

The idea of him winning is academic. He's not going to win. He's probably not even going to be a candidate. You can tell by how many fellow Republicans actually hate him, loathe him and are refusing to back him. What this election IS going to show is how far out of touch the Republican party is and how they only control state houses and congress because of low voter turnout during off year elections, gerrymandered districts, archaic 'Tuesday Voting' instead of weekend or holiday election days, and most recently direct voter suppression through poll taxes (required state ID's) and other Republican efforts to keep down the votes of minorities and poor people.

[Lazun123]

God im hoping for the convention to chose the Rep. nomination. It will finally mean the end of the republican party, and also i can vote for somebody other then HRC and Trump!!

[TotalyMeow]

You're an idiot if you think Trump would make a good president. He's an embarrassment to the country and the presidential election. He'd be a horrible, horrible president and divide the nation like no other. He lies/exaggerates/is ignorant of so many things that it's simply dangerous to view him as a possibility of becoming president.

Geez, you're mean. I never said he'd be a GOOD president. I said he'd be better than some people (the ones so against him now, for example) think he will be. I'm sure he won't be perfect.

1. He has repeatedly called for banning all Muslim immigarants (students/refugees/applications for citizenship) to America. Not only is this against the Constitution it has alienated our Allies, and the entire world with his bigoted *****.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide ... e-us-video

That is not at all against the Constitution as far as I know. The only thing the Constitution mentions about immigration is that a child born on American soil, excluding children of diplomats, is American. Considering how some illegal immigrants have taken advantage of that clause, maybe it does need to be changed. But preventing certain people from immigrating is not at all against the Constitution and is something that has actually been done for a long time in most every country in the world, including this one. There are immigration limits, and those limits are often country or area specific. They exist mostly for economic and other reasons based on how many people we can absorb into our economy/society/schools/etc in a given year. Obama keeps making his executive orders that increase the number of immigrants we'll accept from the Middle Eastern part of the world. He's INCREASING the limits beyond what we've had for a long time, so Trump saying he'll decrease them again and possibly below what they originally were isn't at all illegal or unconstitutional, though you may disagree with that policy.

I watched your video. I actually agree with what he says there. It's not bigotry or bias or anything, it's reason based on actual events. Muslims from there ARE very angry and often hateful towards non-Muslims. Did you know that the capturing of European and African slaves that they practiced for centuries in the Middle East was only officially stopped in the early 1900s? And only because they basically were forced to stop?

2. He called Mexican illegal immigrants rapists and drug dealers even though they don't rape or deal drugs at any greater rate. He has repeatedly spouted bigoted remarks against Mexican-Americans/Univision/The Spanish Language and Mexico in general. This has led to a horrifying fascist/violent response in America in so many ways, from children taunting Mexican-American fellow students to violently rascist groups like the KKK, Stormfront, and many other hate groups coming out in public support of his poisonous bile.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-20 ... s-rapists/

I would love to see where you got your statistics to know he is wrong. I looked myself, but could find nothing. The FBI, it seems, tracks by race, but not by ethnicity. Either way, I don't agree with his statements about Latino people as he also has not provided proof. I do, however, think that immigrants from those areas of the world, or any area, should not be allowed to stay here illegally. I've already mentioned the limits we have on immigration and some of the reasons those limits are there. The fact that so many politicians have endorsed leaving them alone and even giving them various benefits in the hopes that it will get them votes from their legalized relatives is something I find deplorable.

3. He has debased every possible aspect of the presidential election, which has led to a lowering of the bar to new levels, even for the Republican party. He's repeatedly used exaggeration and flat out lies in not only the debates but also in his stump speeches. He's called for violence at his rallies and at the convention if he's denied the nomination. This is as close as we've come to a fascist demagogue in our national elections.

This is your opinion, biased by watching democratic news agencies, no doubt. In fact, I've noticed that all politicians lie, and that that fact is pointed out only when the person reporting it disagrees with the politician in question. He hasn't actually called for any violence at his rallies, though it is a little silly of him to point out the violence that is occurring instead of just ignoring it and letting security deal. He hasn't threatened any violence if he is denied the nomination, he said only that if he has most of the popular vote and then doesn't get the nomination, he thinks there will be riots. Maybe there will be. Oh no! Does that mean I'm threatening violence now??

4. His campaign openly welcomes volunteer support from hate groups.

No, no it doesn't, and the following two links you posted don't demonstrate that at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyFhQkd5ik

The longest 9 minutes of my life. Some loud guy trying to make something out of nothing. The clip was of a woman saying that she supports Trump by volunteering on the phones to call people and ask for their vote. Many, many people are doing this all over the country for both sides, but THIS woman has a couple tattoos that might mean she's a White Supremacist. At no point does she say that she is, or mention anything at all regarding White Supremacy in her phone conversations or in the interview; she keeps her potential beliefs to herself. And just because this woman supports Trump, doesn't meant that Trump supports any of this woman's beliefs. What if she had decided to vote for Hilary instead? Would that mean that Hilary is supporting White Supremacist groups? Not at all, and I'm sure there are a few out there voting for her. Every citizen is allowed to vote, we don't deny them the vote if they are White Supremacist, so they are going to vote for somebody.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376045/Donald-Trump-causes-massive-spike-popularity-KKK-website-run-hate-group-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html

Actually an interesting article. Here are a few quotes:

And now groups such as the KKK are capitalizing on the presidential candidate’s anti-Muslim and anti-migrant sentiments for their own gains.

‘He’s made it OK to talk about these incredible concerns of European Americans today, because I think European Americans know they are the only group that can’t defend their own essential interests and their point of view.'

But Trump has insisted he doesn’t need the hate group’s endorsement and ejected a man with a Confederate flag from a rally in Virginia at the start of the month.

Not very supportive of your 'openly welcomes hate group support' claim. A couple groups are taking advantage of Trump's position that immigration should be limited and that we should stop letting people come in illegally. That is not the same as Trump supporting them. Please learn to logic, most of your arguments are based mainly on emotion and rhetorical fervor. It's getting to be like a Baptist revival in your threads and it's hard to respond to that.

5. He has refused to learn anything about foreign policy. He is abjectly ignorant of World politics and has called for America to leave NATO, Invade Syria, go to war with Iran and many, many other foolish things.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop- ... ser-220853

Your clip says nothing but that he talked about Osama Bin Laden before the NWTC attack happened. That doesn't support your statement that he doesn't know world politics at all.

6. His views on women are bizarre, misogynistic and demeaning in the extreme. His statements towards women and women's issues are not only ignorant but simply bigoted. I won't even go into his demeaning speeches about his much younger 3rd wife who used to be a nude model or his ignorant treatment of Megyn Kelly from Fox News or how he just rated some of the female reporters at one of his press conferences based on how hot they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

I don't like Megyn Kelly either. I've looked at some of the things he's said about women. I don't want to go into it, that's a whole post on it's own, but it's not what the media has made it out to be. He has some lack of political correctness, that's the main thing. I don't like political correctness, so whatever.

There are hundreds of reasons I could post (Trump U, his bankruptcies, how his Dad and he were repeatedly sued for not renting to black people during the 70's and 80's, etc...etc...)

Sure, post a few then. You've yet to say anything material.

You should be embarrassed that you support him and it says a lot about all of you at MM that you'd actually even consider supporting him.

I actually haven't claimed to support him. I didn't vote for him in the primaries. I just think he will win. Why that should tell you anything at all about MM in general, I don't know.

I honestly don't mind if he wins, in fact I HOPE he wins the Republican nomination

You should be embarrassed that you support him and it says a lot about your place of business that you'd actually even consider supporting him.

The only reason I'm fighting his nomination is that there is a very, very small, minute but real chance at either a massive major terrorist attack or increasingly unlikely massive drop in the economy that might scare enough people into voting for this fascist small fingered vulgarian and that infinitesimally small chance is what I'm fighting against. That puny possibility is how fascism destroys America in another timeline of this universe and I'm fighting it now in case something happens, god forbid.

So.... you think he's be really good at preventing terrorist attacks and/or rallying the economy?

[Judaism]

Great, Cleayt thinks Trump will not become president, only more reason to believe that he will.

[Dallane]

God i love it when Meow ***** all over cleaty. I would rank it on my top 3 turn ons.

[Lazun123]

Great, Cleayt thinks Trump will not become president, only more reason to believe that he will.

HRC is leading him in the polls, there is a chance he will not win the presidency if he is nominated. Also he is right, if trump dose not get enough delegates, its left up to the Rep. Convention which is very possible, and what true rep. are hoping for.

I hate her guts like no other, but HRC has the highest chance of becoming president. That's assuming her punk ass dose not go to jail.