Is Christianity Equal in Violence to Islam?

[Trismegistus]

the Islamic religion should stop advocating killing people now, and that you seem to be in a sort of majority in your part of the world.

Nothing about the Islamic religion advocates killing people. No more so than the bible or the talmud or any other religious system. There are literally millions and millions of muslim's who live peacefully in majority muslim or integrated countries throughout the world in peace. Indonesia is the worlds 3rd largest actual democracy and the vast majority of it's people are muslim.

This thread is a rabbit hole that I don't have the energy needed to get involved in fully, but in the interests of fuller context, here is a thing. I guess you can choose whether to believe the reference or not, but anyway...Before I do that, I want to say that I am a man of Science and believe that the world should be governed based on this principle. I believe that the best method to ensure this development is to wipe out the gene code of anyone inclined to believe otherwise. However, I also believe that this is a ridiculous and uber-unethical action to take to ensure one's utopia, so I cannot endorse a policy like that. Organized and concentrated power over a group of humans is what I believe to be the most efficient guidance of human behavior. I don't mean good guidance over good behavior. I mean it has the largest quantity of influence. This leads to some (if we are to believe Pew's research) facts about Indonesia: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-exec

The percentage of Muslims who say they favor making Islamic law the official law in their country is nearly as high across the Southeast Asian countries... 72% in Indonesia).

Of those who want to see sharia as their country’s official law and also support taking the lives of those who convert to other faiths. ... Indonesia (18%).

The belief that sharia should extend to non-Muslims is most widespread in the Middle East and North Africa, where at least four-in-ten Muslims in all countries except Iraq (38%) and Morocco (29%) hold this opinion. Indonesia 50%.

Support for allowing religious judges to decide domestic and property disputes is particularly widespread throughout Southeast Asia...Indonesia 71%
... consider stoning an appropriate penalty for adultery. About half hold this view in Thailand (51%) and Indonesia (48%).

So on and so forth. I'm not trying to convince you to believe anything because of these numbers. I'm saying that these are the numbers. I'm asking you that if you had to choose right now to be born into a new life in any country of your choice, which country would you choose?

For your consideration...If we're talking theories and facts, I don't see how anyone can deny that Islam is the religion responsible for the most violence, injustice, conflict, or whatever term you want to use to describe actions to humans in this time of Earth's history. If we're talking about how to change the trend of this circumstance, that is a completely different thing. Most posts or replies to posts in these threads don't take the same context of an argument in order to rebuke it but rather turn to a spewing of world ideologies that have very little to do with any discussion. Most of these posts can be described as a person stating in public that they are on "this side" and are against "that side" of a general, overarching theory of the world. This is the same thing, only differentiated by degrees, that a Muslim fanatic or a Christian fanatic spouts as their worldview. It is like a high school debate where you say is "Religion good or bad?" One side spews facts that confirm that religion is bad while the other side spews facts that confirm that religion is good.

I assume that everyone here wants people to stop killing other people. Now, assume that you are a citizen of a country exactly like America and this America resides in a world exactly like Earth. Assume that we ask an exact replica of the Salem forums registered users(who each represent a certain portion of citizens in this "America") to come up with an official, publically-stated policy to stop people from killing other people when it specifically involves murderers who consider themselves participants of the Muslim ideology. Now, assume that you have been given the status of being titled President ******* and are given responsibilities or privileges exactly mirrored to a real Earth POTUS. Assume that there are only two sides of this issue like most people seem to believe, and the Salem forum users have published the opposite side of the issue that you find yourself on, because a majority of the users were on that opposite side. Do you endorse and support the decision or do you fight against it because you believe that your side is correct?

[Darwoth]

as president ******* i would secure our borders first and foremost so that the only muslims we are stuck with are the ones here already, this would go a long way toward solving the issue as i do not care if muslims want to kill each other so long as they keep it out of my country.

thus a secure border is the ounce of prevention worth the pound of cure.

secondly i would strip "islam" of any official recognition as a religion, it is a death cult. no longer would traditional "islam" enjoy the myriad of benefits a recognized religion enjoys in this country, including constitutional protection.

in the interest of being fair to the existing american muslims i would then convene a meeting of all the high ranking american muslim leaders in the country to completely rewrite their doctrine so as to not be one predisposed to murder and mayhem, if they were able to do so then they would then regain government recognition and protection of this "new islam" and be free to bang their head on their carpets and hate on porckhops or whatever the ***** they do.

if they were not able to do so then islam would simply become extinct in this country and not at the hands of the state but at the hands of muslims themselves who were unable to get with the program.

this would not do much for the rest of the world, but this would curb virtually all muslim ***** in this country (or any other country that followed those steps) later, once our own frontyard is clean we could then begin the process of exporting this redefined belief system to the rest of the third world heathens.

[Dallane]

as president ******* i would secure our borders first and foremost so that the only muslims we are stuck with are the ones here already, this would go a long way toward solving the issue as i do not care if muslims want to kill each other so long as they keep it out of my country.

thus a secure border is the ounce of prevention worth the pound of cure.

secondly i would strip "islam" of any official recognition as a religion, it is a death cult. no longer would traditional "islam" enjoy the myriad of benefits a recognized religion enjoys in this country, including constitutional protection.

in the interest of being fair to the existing american muslims i would then convene a meeting of all the high ranking american muslim leaders in the country to completely rewrite their doctrine so as to not be one predisposed to murder and mayhem, if they were able to do so then they would then regain government recognition and protection of this "new islam" and be free to bang their head on their carpets and hate on porckhops or whatever the ***** they do.

if they were not able to do so then islam would simply become extinct in this country and not at the hands of the state but at the hands of muslims themselves who were unable to get with the program.

this would not do much for the rest of the world, but this would curb virtually all muslim ***** in this country (or any other country that followed those steps) later, once our own frontyard is clean we could then begin the process of exporting this redefined belief system to the rest of the third world heathens.

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[Darwoth]

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[Heffernan]

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that was long ago tho <3

[AcidSpiral]

as president ******* i would secure our borders first and foremost so that the only muslims we are stuck with are the ones here already, this would go a long way toward solving the issue as i do not care if muslims want to kill each other so long as they keep it out of my country.

thus a secure border is the ounce of prevention worth the pound of cure.

secondly i would strip "islam" of any official recognition as a religion, it is a death cult. no longer would traditional "islam" enjoy the myriad of benefits a recognized religion enjoys in this country, including constitutional protection.

in the interest of being fair to the existing american muslims i would then convene a meeting of all the high ranking american muslim leaders in the country to completely rewrite their doctrine so as to not be one predisposed to murder and mayhem, if they were able to do so then they would then regain government recognition and protection of this "new islam" and be free to bang their head on their carpets and hate on porckhops or whatever the ***** they do.

if they were not able to do so then islam would simply become extinct in this country and not at the hands of the state but at the hands of muslims themselves who were unable to get with the program.

this would not do much for the rest of the world, but this would curb virtually all muslim ***** in this country (or any other country that followed those steps) later, once our own frontyard is clean we could then begin the process of exporting this redefined belief system to the rest of the third world heathens.

Thus you would incite even more terrorism.

The simple truth is there is no cure. You could fix it for a day or a decade but the human condition will always prevail.

Religion was created because of the human fear of death. People will choose their religion based on which story of conquering death sounds more appealing to them whether it is the pearly gates or 72 virgins. They will then do whatever they believe is the way to insure they live on past death in that manner.

[Darwoth]

that was long ago tho <3

not so long ago actually, and many parts of the country have no claegue in them at all.







besides, i would put that guy in his hovaround against any ten non mericans

[Darwoth]

Thus you would incite even more terrorism.

The simple truth is there is no cure. You could fix it for a day or a decade but the human condition will always prevail.

no not really, pretty sure cleaning up the existing muslims and preventing entry of any new muslims would largely solve the problem locally within 15 years, and if my fair and reasonable first approach did not start bearing fruit i would go the other direction and make a public declaration that the next time american citizens are killed by muslim terrorists in the name of allah that this would be on the way to mecca.






http://youtu.be/AglrAOq_77Y?t=22

[Trismegistus]

Thus you would incite even more terrorism.

The simple truth is there is no cure. You could fix it for a day or a decade but the human condition will always prevail.

no not really, pretty sure cleaning up the existing muslims and preventing entry of any new muslims would largely solve the problem locally within 15 years, and if my fair and reasonable first approach did not start bearing fruit i would go the other direction and make a public declaration that the next time american citizens are killed by muslim terrorists in the name of allah that this would be on the way to mecca.

How can you be so good at Salem Game Theory but so bad a Real World Game Theory? This would also incite more Muslim hate towards Murica. This is the reason why Obama and others try very hard to never publicly use the word Muslims or Islam when they do their terrorists spiel. I rarely see this fact acknowledged. It is usually turned for some political propaganda. Obama and the like believe that the battle to be fought here is among Muslims. They want the "moderate Muslims" to tamper down the "extremists, violent Muslims". I don't care if you think that is a good tactic to do this tightrope of never saying Muslims, but you should be aware that this is the reason for it. Rule #1: Don't be a rube.

[Darwoth]

you liberals dont get it, there are only a handful of outcomes in this.

1> islam takes over the world and you convert

2> islam takes over the world and you are killed by islamists

3> islam reshapes itself (the "reformation" other religions have undergone that keeps being referenced)

4> islam is exterminated by force


myself and other non muslims are not the agressor, i have no intention of becoming a muslim and i do not plan to happily march to my death either. so then that leaves option 3 and 4 and eventually it will come down to one of those. does not matter all you new age hippy starbucks know it alls want to suck **** on the weekend and are mad that christians dont want you to marry your boytoy, because islam itself does not give you the luxury of wringing your hands and sitting on the fence, does not matter if your an atheist and think all religion is stupid because you are still an "infidel" to muslims.

eventually, when push comes to shove you will have to actually make a choice for once in your lives instead of hemming and hawing and finding fault with every solution. is there a perfect solution? nope.

so then, if islam continues as it has for thousands of years on its current trajectory of murdering non muslims and is unwilling to modernize itself to stop doing and teaching these things it ultimately becomes quite ***** simple, a matter of either "us" or "them" i know which side i am on, apparently you do not.