Town Market ~ What a wasted resource

[Frotted]

How many stalls are there total...~ 100 player owned; and how many have barrels or posts showing activity... 10?

10% of the market is active; and the rest is empty; hardly used; or held?

The fact that I and Traders have to do business among PM's and forums should be a wake up call to Devs that the Player Marketplace is a failure.

Up the rent, prove profitability, minimal or weekly activity, something needs to be done.

JC said he was happy with what little activity there was in the game and its all paid up and that's fine I guess; we'll always have forums and PM's to do business.

Devs spent some effort to create the Player Market in Town... and it all seems like piss in the wind now.

A bunch of abject failures like this- I'd need a long break from development too.

Why did they bother?

[grapefruitv]

So what you seem to be saying basically is "it's a failure because I don't have a stall". I can understand that, system really might seem not fair if you didn't happen to be in the right place at the right time. But PMs trade is what market is, stalls is just a bonus for a wealthy ones, players that were here for a long time and players willing to go through some effort to get one. Salem game sessions are very special, your town can exist for years and any person with atleast some shreds of real life or other activities wouldn't be able to play all the time without slowing down or having a few breaks, which can be up to few months long, there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep some things that would help you to get back on your feet when vacation is over, stalls included.
I check all the stalls every 1-2 days and atleast 50% are active meaning there are new items being added and old ones being replenished. Different graphics on the stalls are not signs of activity, they depend on the number of items in this stall, so inactive stall with 300 peppers no one buys would have a barrel, while a much more valuable for other players and the market itself stall selling shop items wouldn't have it and even might appear to be empty sometimes. Stalls change owners all the time both being sold by owners and being out of money to keep paying rent. There are some stalls with enough silver to stay there for years of course, but I think if player sold that much and didn't take the money, he deserves additional time to keep his inactive stall accordingly.

[Frotted]

So what you seem to be saying basically is "it's a failure because I don't have a stall".

I'm not angst against not having a stall; I'm angst against not finding 'plenty' of things I need to play this game and having to waste time going through every ***** one to determine it was a waste of time to start with.

At this point- I will contract with a forum trader; and never bother with the Market again. It's a failure and a total waste of my time. Whatever effort went into creating it now appears to have been a total waste... I doubt Devs thought that when it was created; but as it is today... it is.

I'm angst against there being a small fraction of active stalls vs the whole. Selling BS? Actual Manure might be helpful; but not what's on the market right now.

Simple as that.

[HolyLight]

During my time playing i have never personally owned a stall.

I never needed to own a stall. I never wanted to own a stall.

I have done over 500,000s total in trades (As a buyer mostly), If this would have been done through a stall i/others would have paid over 100,000s in tax;s

***** the Kings Tax.

[grapefruitv]

And how existance of the stalls in their current state ruins your trading experience? You didn't find something you needed and you solved the issue by talking to other traders. You also could create a thread saying "there is a demand on this and that, please put it in your stall and I'll buy x pieces for y silver" or talk to people in game directly.
Marketplace being useless for you personally doesn't mean it's a failure. Every week people are buying hundreds of brains, nails, veggies and other things. Takes less than a day to sell out a bunch of coal or iron ore even, as long as prices are reasonable. For me it is much more convenient to buy things from stalls for a slightly higher price than to arrange a trade through forums, go through unnecessary communication (which I don't enjoy) and wait for hours and days even to finally get my (possibly scented) item or get scammed. There is not always a choice obviously, but when there is, I'll pick stalls every time.

[Frotted]

And how existance of the stalls in their current state ruins your trading experience? You didn't find something you needed and you solved the issue by talking to other traders. You also could create a thread saying "there is a demand on this and that, please put it in your stall and I'll buy x pieces for y silver" or talk to people in game directly.
Marketplace being useless for you personally doesn't mean it's a failure. Every week people are buying hundreds of brains, nails, veggies and other things. Takes less than a day to sell out a bunch of coal or iron ore even, as long as prices are reasonable. For me it is much more convenient to buy things from stalls for a slightly higher price than to arrange a trade through forums, go through unnecessary communication (which I don't enjoy) and wait for hours and days even to finally get my (possibly scented) item or get scammed. There is not always a choice obviously, but when there is, I'll pick stalls every time.

You must be a retiree or student with tons of time on your hands... and can wander the stalls all day looking.

I don't have that kind of largess available to me; and when I go the market... I expect to find what I need. Maybe not the price I want; but it'll be there.

This game has grown enormously complex from what is was... and yet the Market has become enormously stupid with almost nothing anyone wants... there are a handful that sell to the populace... ~ as I said about 10%; that leaves almost 90 other stalls with crap... and not just crap for me...else they'd have the barrels and signs by their stall... AND THEY DON'T.

Nothing I've suggested via Ideas forum would impact those who are supporting the community; but for the rest... wake up or ***** off.

[grapefruitv]

Checking all the stalls takes literally 2-3 minutes, 1 minute if you care to buy some royal jelly when you start, 10 minutes max if you can't figure out more efficient way to look and do it the slowest way. While arranging a trade through PM takes about same time of being actively involved plus hours and days of passively waiting.
You see, you can't really expect to see what you need, because you can't dictate to stall owners what to sell, they are not complete idiots working against their own profits and if they put something in their stalls over and over again that means there is a demand for it and that is something they are willing to produce.

Again: barrels are a sign of number of things in the stall, not it's activity. You can put 1000 stones in your stall and have all the graphic changes without selling a single thing. In most cases barrels by the stalls are a sign of cheap spammable items being put in this stall and they don't indicate those things actually being sold in any way. While lack of any graphic changes might mean that stall is selling out everything faster than it's owner can replace items or that it is selling rare items and can't offer more than 100. Barrels mean nothing. Signs were placed by devs and they used to be a reward for winning competitions, not always related to market at all, and again mean nothing when it comes to stall's activity or profitability.

[Frotted]

Checking all the stalls takes literally 2-3 minutes, 1 minute if you care to buy some royal jelly when you start, 10 minutes max if you can't figure out more efficient way to look and do it the slowest way. While arranging a trade through PM takes about same time of being actively involved plus hours and days of passively waiting.
You see, you can't really expect to see what you need, because you can't dictate to stall owners what to sell, they are not complete idiots working against their own profits and if they put something in their stalls over and over again that means there is a demand for it and that is something they are willing to produce.

Again: barrels are a sign of number of things in the stall, not it's activity. You can put 1000 stones in your stall and have all the graphic changes without selling a single thing. In most cases barrels by the stalls are a sign of cheap spammable items being put in this stall and they don't indicate those things actually being sold in any way. While lack of any graphic changes might mean that stall is selling out everything faster than it's owner can replace items or that it is selling rare items and can't offer more than 100. Barrels mean nothing. Signs were placed by devs and they used to be a reward for winning competitions, not always related to market at all, and again mean nothing when it comes to stall's activity or profitability.

AH... you must be one of the market hacks that owns most of them...

Why else would you be this dedicated?

Let me tell you Pretty Pink Flower... until the system changes; your 'market stalls' are athema. I will never drift there again. May you grow moss, grout, and mold.

Never again will I fall under their shadow as they stand today. Let it be your little place of Hell... suits me... I will walk in the Light... and do other stuff.

You, Devs, and the King can enjoy whatever you can get from that nest of ****... I'm moving on.

Grats!

If you're going to swear, just swear, don't try to change the spelling to dodge the filter. Have some consideration for people who don't want to see that. ~TotalyMeow

[Irving]

Well I think there should be a change with how the stalls work not because i dont have a stall and really want one but it is very sad to see so many of them occupied and not used at all. I know most people trade with other players via PMs and Forums but it would be nice to just pack your stall full of items, do your daily salem chores and come back to your stall to pick up silver. It would be nice if devs checked what stall is inactive for longer time and start placing them on auction again

[Irving]

But Frotted please dont rage because devs just ignore these types of posts when they see its just a raging kid.