Do Beds still reduce insanity?

[lachlaan]

So, it seems that sleeping in a bed with a teddy bear will reduce both your madness levels and your insanity.

I think that considering ^ Meow's abovequoted statement, this topic should either be moved to bugs or a new topic should be made there. I hear quite a few complaints about similar situations and while it sounds like something tough to investigate, if there is indeed a bug it'd be nice to get it fixed when possible or at least get a headstart in figuring out how to test for it etc etc.

If these people reporting the issue are in fact logging out with no madness level and gaining one in a 30 minute post sleep session, then they are very uninformed as to what it takes to get 1 madness and are doing the worst things possible, or it's a bug :p

I can vouch that snapping some 20 turks in half, or plucking 15ish salamander tails don't quite get me a madness level, and I also study woodchoppings and other cheap stuff inbetween to make sure i lower a bit of it anyway. Also having walked amongst the wild Hydurpies and other bad critters I can say it's quite hard to get a madness level at all, let alone in 30 minutes. Worthy of some investigation perhaps, in my opinion.

[Dallane]

Terrible incorrect information

I don't understand why people can't grasp madness.

Your insanity is constant until you reach a new level of madness then it will roll to 0.

If you go to bed with 50 insanity and 2 madness then sleep with a teddy your madness will go to 1 and you will still have 50 insanity. You will of course have low insanity due to the bed but i'm not counting that for this example. This was confirmed by JC unless changed recently.

If these people reporting the issue are in fact logging out with no madness level and gaining one in a 30 minute post sleep session, then they are very uninformed as to what it takes to get 1 madness and are doing the worst things possible, or it's a bug :p

Not all teddy bears are safe

[Kralith]

Terrible incorrect information

I don't understand why people can't grasp madness.

Your insanity is constant until you reach a new level of madness then it will roll to 0.

If you go to bed with 50 insanity and 2 madness then sleep with a teddy your madness will go to 1 and you will still have 50 insanity. You will of course have low insanity due to the bed but i'm not counting that for this example. This was confirmed by JC unless changed recently.

It was a theoretical calculate and i have say it in my first words of post.

The result is slightly the same.
Every Madness Level gives a "own" Insanity bar. Nothing other is a "rollback" to 0.

See this in the Patchnotes, i read it like every madness level has his own insanity.

Players will find that their insanity will be lower after sleeping in a bed (this will not lower madness levels, only bring insanity back to the lowest point of your current madness level).

On the other hand is also your information not exact correct.
I had situations, that i have gain a madness level and have take a hookah after around 10 minutes.
If my Insanity Bar rolls back to 0 after raise to Madness 1, it could be in 10 Minutes not raising so much, like 1 or 2 Points of a theoretical value.
With your calculate should my Madness 0 after the Hookah now start with Insanity Bar very low, because i take the Bar from the Madness 1 with me.
Then there is no reason that i go to Madness 1 again after 1 or 2 hour of normal working on our townclaim without doing bad/mad things.

I have read somewhere on the forum a statement about the insanity after reducing madness level, but i cant find it yet... damn.
I will ongoing search for it, because i hate if someone calls me that i'm terrible incorrect! It leads to discussions that lead to insults.
And i have no fun with the normal culture of insulting here on the forum.

At least the result is the same:
Do things that lowers insanity after you have lower your madness!

[MagicManICT]

I want to note here: I didn't make that earlier post to confuse people. I just wanted to point out that it is possible, in theory, to gain madness unexpectedly due to the way the server could be configured to process information. If you aren't online when that information was processed, you could see it next time you logged in. This is purely a hypothesis based on the information I have on hand, and could very well be wrong. The system may well be bugged up and things really aren't working as intended. JC has been very closed about specifics on the madness mechanic outside of activities and generalities of what those activities do.

[Dallane]

i hate if someone calls me that i'm terrible incorrect! It leads to discussions that lead to insults.

Then you should get clarification about how madness works. I'm looking at a convo now with JC where GT scientist almost figured out the exact numbers for insanity gain when I guess correctly on how this works. Unless he changed it you are trolling help and need to stop.

[Kralith]

Dallane... i do not trolling... stop asserting false things.

I try just to describe how it works like i assume it.
My values are just theoretical values... i have never say that they are true... i have tell in my post, that this only assumed (fictional) values.
Maybe you should begin to read, not every here is native english speaking. Maybe we write not so exact as you it like.
Maybe i should describe my words more... more possibilities of my words so that every see how i mean it.
Sometimes maybe i choose the wrong translation. If i could write in my own language i would not run into misunderstandings.
That you should see and maybe be a little bit nicer to people and not directly so rude from the beginning.

Btw. i have read now all posts from JC about madness. He had never tell about how it actually work. And he has not confirmed any values except these madness levels.

But i found a post from TotallyMeow.
My assumption of how insanity/madness work is not really false. Maybe not exact, but not totally false.

...only play a few hours a day, spending those hours gathering inspirationals, so that the next day you can build a few fence links while studying said inspirationals every 3 to 4 mins. To really play more than that you need to have things more readily available, how you do that as a noob, I dunno...

This is so extreme as to be completely wrong. I made two characters on Popham with which to hermit. One to wander and forage and one to stay at home and be my main. Both have kept their insanity so low, they have yet to get a madness level at all. The secret is balance. Synnestry suggests you must drive yourself crazy irl to prevent madness in game. No. A single inspirational will give you about 15 minutes of play time and you can go about 4 hours if you do no positive or negative actions. So, if you're working around a base, take a break from your mining or whatever about every hour, or two even, and just learn a point or two in a proficiency. I'm working on getting Goat Rearing right now so it takes me half a dozen inspirationals sometimes to get one point of F&F and that gives me a whole hour able to do whatever else I want and pull a couple salamander tails besides. You don't even need a timer as some seem to think, just use the inspiration you're getting and keep it low, a useful habit anyway.

And as someone said, losing a level of Madness does not reset your insanity so you still must reduce that too. Gaining a level resets insanity to zero, though.

[Dallane]

My assumption of how insanity/madness work is not really false. Maybe not exact, but not totally false.

It is indeed false

You say that there is a insanity bar for EACH madness level which is FALSE. I again give you the scenario.

level 2 madness
50 insanity points

You go to bed with a teddy

You wake up

level 1 madness
50 insanity points

*Note this doesn't factor in the fact that you will also lose insanity by sleeping. Again this could of been change since I LAST TALK TO JOHNCARVER.

[Kralith]

If this right, then it would be, that when i go to bed as soon as i gain the madness level 1 i start after wakeup after 8 hours of sleep with a teddy with madness 0 and insanity 0.
why is then the time to gain madness 1 again much more shorter like on first time? by doing the same things as every day?

okay ask john... we have not the benefit to ask him like you.
thats also a cause that you could be nicer to us/me and not so rude.
if someone tells things nice to me, then i can it better take as a good hint... but you are not nice and you should it be.
i know the internet makes people strange, but think about this, every time that you speak here with real people with real feelings.
you woulnd be talk to them like here if you where in front of them in real.
so do like you would speak to them like in real.
i'm a nice real people and i have the right that you handle nice with me.

[Raistlin97]

I seem to remember reading that the beds reduce Madness by 1, but Insanity remains at the highest point for that lower level. Is that so? Because if it is that way, then that would explain why people keep regaining Madness that they lose.

[Otis]

I seem to remember reading that the beds reduce Madness by 1, but Insanity remains at the highest point for that lower level. Is that so? Because if it is that way, then that would explain why people keep regaining Madness that they lose.

Sleeping in a bed reduces insanity.
Sleeping in a bed with a teddy bear for 8+ hours (server time) reduces madness.

There have been some reports of sleeping in a bed not working for insanity reduction (I had it happen twice) but not sure if it is still happening.