Heffernan Makes a Bet

[Dallane]

You heard it folks. The man who created this game from the start and still continues to work hard in the codes has agreed that I won the bet.

Heff please save your rep.

[Vexus]

You heard it folks. The man who created this game from the start and still continues to work hard in the codes has agreed that I won the bet.

Heff please save your rep.

If you are referring to loftar, please note he did not say you won the bet, he repeated the original point, which again has nothing to do with the actual bet.

You MUST be a liberal to have this kind of jumping-to-conclusion attitude. Which in my book is an insult.

[loftar]

If you are referring to loftar, please note he did not say you won the bet, he repeated the original point, which again has nothing to do with the actual bet.

You MUST be a liberal to have this kind of jumping-to-conclusion attitude. Which in my book is an insult.

What are you talking about? Dallane clearly won the bet, and that's precisely the point I made.

[Vexus]

If you are referring to loftar, please note he did not say you won the bet, he repeated the original point, which again has nothing to do with the actual bet.

You MUST be a liberal to have this kind of jumping-to-conclusion attitude. Which in my book is an insult.

What are you talking about? Dallane clearly won the bet, and that's precisely the point I made.

In the sentence:

The original point was whether a character could stay online such that it continues to accrue insanity, which what Dallane showed clearly does.

That does not convey your opinion that Dallane won the bet, only that the point was confirmed by Dallane.

But you have done so now, so I will step off this thread out of potential recourse to debating.

[Rubberduckbandit]

Is this guy really trying to force his perspective as fact, i feel like Salem's breaking a new threshold, with the force of a million tumblr users.

[loftar]

That does not convey your opinion that Dallane won the bet, only that the point was confirmed by Dallane.

How do you manage to construe a difference between those statements?

[Scilly_guy]

Simply because they were debating one thing (whether you can gain insanity and madness while offline, which obviously you can and anyone who knows anything about the game should realise) does not mean that is what the bet was about. I assumed to start with that the bet was about having one character online whilst looking at the character selection screen of the same account, Dallane agreed that he would have taken this bet as well as the one which was actually made, which was to have a character logged in whilst looking at the character selection screen.

Have one character online whilst looking at the character selection screen of the same account. - Not possible
Have one character logged in whilst looking at the character selection screen of the same account. - Possible

Are you actually saying that I can't be on the logon screen with a character logged in the game?

To be fair the chatting part came after the bet was finished. I admit that I prematurely said that before testing. Heff could at any point came back and said I bet you 10k that you can't. Which I more then likely would of taken the bet. The point still stands that chatting had nothing to do with the original bet.

The key word differs, but only slightly, and it is fairly harsh on someone who has English as a 2nd language. All that said, I don't like people who don't keep their bets, but I also don't like people who take advantage of those who are less fortunate than themselves.

I believe the server may actually say "The user is not online", but I can't check right now as I am at work.

[loftar]

Lots of sophistry

What you are trying to twist around is the definition of "logged on" with regards to a character. This is fully and clearly defined by the context in which the bet was made. If you did not read it, let me recap it for you:

Thread is about people accruing insanity even when logged off. Cue Dallane, Heffernan:
Dallane> I think people aren't logging off correctly. Seems to be the only way its happening.
Heffernan> ho is there a way to not logoff corrently? u go sleep and ur logged off...
Dallane> Well considering you claimed to have logged off correctly but when JC checked the logs you were on for a additional 4 hours.
[...]
Heffernan> and yep i kept my client open and at character login but that would still mean all characters are logged off.
Dallane> That is 100% not true.

It's completely impossible to read this exchange other than as a discussion of whether it's possible for a character to be counted as being "online" for the purpose of accruing insanity even though there's no interactive session actively attached to that character. Since that, then, was the context in which the bet was made, you can't just come around and argue that "nah man, I was actually betting about some other definition of online". That is what you call sophistry. Having English as a second language is no excuse; there's no tricky language, and the only ambiguity is the one you're trying to construe where in fact there is none. For that matter, I would add that English is a second language for me as well.

[Dallane]

[loftar]

That said, Dallane is a boastful egotist and it would do his humility good to forfeit the bet.