Heffernan Makes a Bet

[Lusewing]

Had the deal been 'Logged in and playing with 3 characters' then Heff would have won the bet however this is not the case. Pay up, move on and next time dont leave such easy loop holes in your bets (or dont make bets at all)

[HolyLight]

A summon kill creates an NPC copy of your character while you are logged off. Not hard to understand that. It does not "log on" your character - there is no client-server connection being established. I'm sorry, if you don't understand this then I will not debate you further.

It does not summon an NPC copy, because if they player log's onto the prelogged in character, they can start to move him.

Its happened before when we summoned someone, then 2seconds later (by some crazy chance) he starts moving, was too late anyways he saw his demise.

How can a NPC copy instantly become a non NPC copy controled by a player?

There does not need to be a client-server connection to log in a character, the devs have said that already. (summon kills, stocks etc)

I understand what you are saying, and yes i get it, but to be quite frank i do not give a **** about the wording.

Any character can be logged in / persistant in the world without the account being logged in. Its all the same difference, to argue otherwise just shows youre a snob and youre just arguing for arguement sake.

[Vexus]

I'm sorry, if you don't understand this then I will not debate you further.

We totally do not understand that!

Most people don't. Maybe I can elaborate.

You had to log in to post messages on this server. You established a client-server connection to be able to post here. Imagine if you will that you are logged off of the forums, and then the forums randomly started posting with your account. Would you then claim that those posts were made when you were logged in? No, you would say there was some bug and those posts were not made by you. Obviously, if the server is acting on its own without your interaction, it is not the same as being logged in.

I will try to think of an easier way to explain it, maybe using cell phones and text messages... hmm...

Had the deal been 'Logged in and playing with 3 characters' then Heff would have won the bet however this is not the case. Pay up, move on and next time dont leave such easy loop holes in your bets (or dont make bets at all)

The deal was being logged in AND at the character select screen with the same account. Which is not doable with how the devs implemented Salem code. Which is why Dallane lost.

How can a NPC copy instantly become a non NPC copy controled by a player?

HolyLight, you obviously cannot see the difference between logged in and logged off. Just because an NPC exists, does not mean there is a client-server connection.

[simple69]

hes not questioning the developers, he is trying to explain the meaning of the phrase "logged in". It is being used incorrectly in this instance and basically trying to give Heff away out of the bet as the wording of the bet is inaccurate. The developers cannot change the meaning of a phrase or words. Being logged in, is a real person connecting to and logging in a said personality. Summoning a character is just that retrieving or launching code from a database and having the pixels materialize in front of you. Those pixels are not controlled by anyone, so therefore nobody is logged into that character.

[Procne]

I'm sorry, if you don't understand this then I will not debate you further.

We totally do not understand that!

Most people don't. Maybe I can elaborate.

Filthy lier, you were supposed to stop debating

[HolyLight]

hes not questioning the developers, he is trying to explain the meaning of the phrase "logged in". It is being used incorrectly in this instance and basically trying to give Heff away out of the bet as the wording of the bet is inaccurate. The developers cannot change the meaning of a phrase or words. Being logged in, is a real person connecting to and logging in a said personality. Summoning a character is just that retrieving or launching code from a database and having the pixels materialize in front of you. Those pixels are not controlled by anyone, so therefore nobody is logged into that character.

Conjecture and a personal opinion.

Pilgrims are real people too.

God forbid if this subject mutates.

[Vexus]

Filthy lier, you were supposed to stop debating

I thought I was replying to you. I am not debating HolyLight any more; I will of course repeat over and over to him that what he is talking about is not a client-server connection. But you can already tell he does not care about the wording, which means he does not rely on fact. Those kinds of people you can never explain a factual item to - they are very much like religious people who do not accept the possibility of being wrong. So it is pointless to argue.

For flavor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRg_19MqnK0

[HolyLight]

Filthy lier, you were supposed to stop debating

I thought I was replying to you. I am not debating HolyLight any more; I will of course repeat over and over to him that what he is talking about is not a client-server connection. But you can already tell he does not care about the wording, which means he does not rely on fact. Those kinds of people you can never explain a factual item to - they are very much like religious people who do not accept the possibility of being wrong. So it is pointless to argue.

There is a difference between understanding and wording.

We all knew what was being said / asked of on the bet, REGUARDLESS of wording. You are a typical lawyer twisting it and trying to use "perfect english" as a defence.

That is why i do not give a flying rats ass about the wording, So yes arguing on this point is pointless.

We ALL know heff was wrong, you are just a lawyer/typical gramma nazi.

[simple69]

Ya this is starting to get off topic. Soon there will be civil rights movements to save the Pilgrims on the blood moon.

[Vexus]

Filthy lier, you were supposed to stop debating

I thought I was replying to you. I am not debating HolyLight any more; I will of course repeat over and over to him that what he is talking about is not a client-server connection. But you can already tell he does not care about the wording, which means he does not rely on fact. Those kinds of people you can never explain a factual item to - they are very much like religious people who do not accept the possibility of being wrong. So it is pointless to argue.

There is a difference between understanding and wording.

We all knew what was being said / asked of on the bet, REGUARDLESS of wording. You are a typical lawyer twisting it and trying to use "perfect english" as a defence.

That is why i do not give a flying rats ass about the wording, So yes arguing on this point is pointless.

We ALL know heff was wrong, you are just a typical gramma nazi.

You are correct, there is a big difference between understanding and wording. However, when there is disagreement, we have to fall back on the wording, and be lawyer-grammer-nazis to make sure that the issue is resolved according to the terms and not how someone felt. Because it is easy to say Heff understood what we ALL meant, however that puts him in the corner with no one backing him up. So the crowd builds and he is shut down from any side of how he understood things.

I am pretty certain English is not Heffernan's primary language, and again apologize if that is not the case, in which case what he meant, and what Dallane meant, and what you understood (which, is clearly skewed), and what I understood, and what actual was said, is all different. So we go by the terms.

When Dallane said:

Are you actually saying that I can't be on the logon screen with a character logged in the game?

I completely and immediately understood that to mean having a playable character logged in, and also at the character select screen. If you understand that any differently, well then, we shall again go by the terms.