TEXAS vs france vs terrorists

[Strakknuva225]

Obviously it is more expensive, therefore it's better. And it's American way of thinking so don't call me European Sympathizer

ironically americans are the ones who flock to apple.

[Procne]

It is little more than common sense that the more we homogenize the less differences countries would have and the less opportunity for conflict, quarrels, or even conflicting interests.

Coming from a country with an almost homogeneus society when it comes to culture and race, with almost no other religions, I can assure you this is false. People will always find something over which they can draw dividing lines and fight. No different religions or races? How about favorite football team? Yes, people kill each other over that here. How about following different political parties? Check. Religious people vs atheists, different city districts - check and check.

People have a strong need for belonging. But to belong to "us" there always have to be "them". Nothing unites people as strongly as common enemy. Nothing divides as strongly as the lack of such enemy. Because they will always find something to divide themselves and create "us" and "them". The thing that divides usually is not that important. And so does Darwoth, in his need to belong, glorifies this "us" which happens to be Americans by babbling at "them" which happens to be Europeans.

[Spazzmaticus]

Once you scratch the surface it's quite clear that there is no such thing as structural homogenity when it comes to liberal democracy. What might be a sound system of governance in one nation isn't necessarily going to be effective in another. Liberal democratic nations are as diverse as they are numerous. The only thing that really matters is whether or not citizens of all ages, ethnicities and creeds are being represented fairly. Is the Unites States a model nation in that regard? That's most certainly up for debate.

For instance, did you know that only 2 states (Vermont and Maine) grants incarcerated felons the right to vote? It would seem that the remaining 48 (plus the federal district) feel that the voting rights of 716 per 100k of it's citizens aren't worth the paper they're printed. I feel that such wanton disenfranchisement of voters looks bad for any democracy, let alone a "model" one.

Then again, you can always consider things from a perspective of neo-realism. In that case your military spending makes you right about anything.

[TotalyMeow]

several years ago i read a story that an old (but big?) graveyeard in london was being "renovated" and digging up several old graves of crusader knights to make room for the new muslim section. whatever happened with that?

So, I was curious about this question once it became clear that no one was going to answer it, and I looked it up myself.

This is probably the original article Darwoth is talking about: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1909837/posts
It describes the plans to reopen Tower Hamlets Cemetery Park, a graveyard with over 350k bodies as a new burial ground which would end up being predominantly Muslim thanks to changes in local demographics. However, being full, the bodies in it were in the way. The graves are from 1841 to 1966 so are not that old and many people in the area were angry over the idea. Others protested the fact that it's one of the few green areas in the city and an important wildlife preserve. Wikipedia says it was confirmed as a nature preserve in 2000, so it was not, in fact, dug up. I don't know what they did about their issues with needing new grave sites.

More recently, about a year ago, there was a big social media thing going around about a church being deconsecrated and turned into a mosque and it's associated graveyard ripped up. This turns out to be mostly a hoax: http://www.hoax-slayer.com/wiltshire-ch ... hoax.shtml

However, the video used to support said article is actually real. There is a mosque in Manchester that used to be church and was deconsecrated and converted. They were digging up part of the garden back in 2009 to build a carpark when they found headstones. Seems they are only headstones from the nearby graveyard and not actually part of the graveyard, but construction was halted until that could be confirmed: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... nes-929520 I don't know how that ended.

[Darwoth]

it was indeed the tower hamlet location, i remember the 350,000 figure. thanks, was curious how that panned out, guess the environmentalists beat the muslims that time

[Nektaris]

Average americunt = fat, stupid, etc etc
Average European = lean, intelligent, etc etc

Etc explained here

http://snarkynomad.com/the-10-most-emba ... ereotypes/

Alright now Dallane can close this thread

[lachlaan]

Stuff & Things

Eloquent rebuttal.

The fun thing is that both your police force and military would not arm one of their respective members if they were any of the things i listed :

Mentally unstable
A known criminal
Untrained
Unfit physically

And no members of either establishment get a whole arsenal of weapons to take home and stash.

Guess they're all retarded as well, according to your analysis of my (what i consider) sensible limitations to firearm usage. Of course it'd be necessary to streamline all those checks so as to not bury anyone applying for a gun under a mountain of bureaucracy, but if you can argue against any of the above requirements you might as well go protest the need for driver's licenses and driving school. I say give every american a gun and a car and to hell with the consequences!

[Darwoth]

do you even know what a 4473 is or ever read one?

[Claeyt]

This has got to be the stupidest thing you've ever said Darwoth. Texas is basically a 3rd world country compared to France when it comes to comparing them in almost every category.

TEXAS

Population: 27,695,000
Murders in 2012: 1148 (Murder Rate of 4.2 per 1 million)

*Last year Texas had 1407 murders making it one of the most dangerous places to live in the industrialized world.

FRANCE

Population: 66,616,000
Murders in 2012: 665 (Murder Rate of 1.0 per 1 million making it one of the safest countries in the world to live in)

*You are 4x as likely to be murdered in Texas as you are to be killed if you live in France. France is one of the safest industrialized countries on the planet and makes Texas look like a 3rd world country when it comes to crime stats, education and wealth per capita.

The reason Texas has more murders than France is because there are so many guns there.

[lachlaan]

:lol:

do you even know what a 4473 is or ever read one?

Did not previously, well then, as long as those are actually in place everywhere and not ignored, coolbeans >.> Ignore my ignorance on the matter, and I am infact quite proud of basically having outlined an already existing bit of legislation.