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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby Dallane » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:38 am

Nictos wrote:Franklin says: "The entirety of our visual, tactile, taste, smell and other sensory experiences are, by definition, an illusion. The fact that we see it at all is an illusion: Its not a damn dress you are looking at, its electronic signals translated into photons emitted to your eyes, retranslated into electron signals, interpreted by your brain".

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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby MagicManICT » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:59 am

Merged identical topics. In the future, if you would like to have the poll added, you could make a request of the moderators instead of making an identical thread.
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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby mossmoist » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:16 pm

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There are various noteworthy things on this image.

First, it seems quite obvious to me that the colors in the image, (not the dress itself), are light blue and a brownish gold. Dispite this fact, my brain automatically and instinctively interprets the original colors as being white and gold, considering the backlighting and my previous experiences with bad quality photos, in which many times colors can become altered, especially with white no longer being white.
The problem is this is a matter of each person's brain's interpretation, which can vary, even in the same person, at different times, possibly depending on the lighting of the area where the image is viewed.
Second thing to note is that aestetically, light blue with brownish gold makes no sence, while white and gold does, (even though the dress is hideous, in my opinion), and white is a common color in clothing, especially shiny coated clothing like the coat over the dress. Also, aestetically i thing it is much more probable to see such a coat in white, not light blue or any other blue.
Now, i can't see the gold as looking like black, if it did, and the blue was a dark one, then the dress would make more sence.
Lastly i just want to point out that just because the color in the image is blue, which can be proven in software that picks up colors, like loftar did, it doesn't necessarily prove anything when it comes to irl color of the dress.

Edit: also, one possible explanation for the darkening of the white is the background strong lightsource. Since the background light is so strong, the whites in the image are necessarily going to be put there by the sofware of the camera, and the normal whites that aren't so strong, like the white on the dress, will necessarily be a of a darker hue, which due to the camera's poor quality will be limited to specific tones, like the weird light bluish one here, not being able to express all the hues present irl. TL;DR: it is a camera contrast problem.
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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby TotalyMeow » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:54 pm

This is a shadow illusion. It has nothing to do with bad contrast on the camera or what color an imaging program sees.

Look:

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It looks like some sort of briefcase thing that is grey on top and white on the bottom, right? The gradients in the middle make it look like the bottom is in shadow and the top is in sun, so we see one part as lighter than the other.

Cover up the gradients in the middle though:

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Now it looks like a grey obelisk in the sun and you can see that the top and bottom colors are the exact same color; as an image program would have told you. But if that bottom part really was in shadow, it would have been the image program that was wrong.

It's the same phenomenon here. Some people see a bright background and a backlit dress in shadow, so they interpret a white and gold dress as the most logical answer. Some people see an evenly lit photo that is overexposed and assume the colors are darker than they appear so they see a blue and orange/brown dress or an even darker blue and black dress.
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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby Haukeye » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:18 pm

Dallane wrote:
Nictos wrote:Franklin says: "The entirety of our visual, tactile, taste, smell and other sensory experiences are, by definition, an illusion. The fact that we see it at all is an illusion: Its not a damn dress you are looking at, its electronic signals translated into photons emitted to your eyes, retranslated into electron signals, interpreted by your brain".

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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby Dallane » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:29 am

Haukeye wrote:
Dallane wrote:
Nictos wrote:Franklin says: "The entirety of our visual, tactile, taste, smell and other sensory experiences are, by definition, an illusion. The fact that we see it at all is an illusion: Its not a damn dress you are looking at, its electronic signals translated into photons emitted to your eyes, retranslated into electron signals, interpreted by your brain".

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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby mossmoist » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:04 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:This is a shadow illusion. It has nothing to do with bad contrast on the camera or what color an imaging program sees.

It's the same phenomenon here. Some people see a bright background and a backlit dress in shadow, so they interpret a white and gold dress as the most logical answer. Some people see an evenly lit photo that is overexposed and assume the colors are darker than they appear so they see a blue and orange/brown dress or an even darker blue and black dress.


My explanation of camera contrast was to point out why i thought the actual color in the image is light blue. Not to explain why people see it differently. For that i wrote this: "The problem is this is a matter of each person's brain's interpretation, which can vary, even in the same person, at different times, possibly depending on the lighting of the area where the image is viewed.", and i think the phenomenon you refer actually supports this statement.
And i do agree that this phenomenon is the most probable cause for the difference in people's perception when it comes to this dress.
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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby RuneNL » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:12 pm

Claeyt wrote:Image


Very painful to admit, but you cured me Claeyt. Ty

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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby Heffernan » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:43 pm

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Re: Marp Tarpton is Color-Blind

Postby loftar » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:32 am

mossmoist wrote:First, it seems quite obvious to me that the colors in the image, (not the dress itself), are light blue

I'm starting to wonder if this is just a monitor issue, because on my hand, I can't really but describe it as deep blue rather than "light" blue. It's not like it isn't well known that different monitors display colors very differently.
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