Lord_Avu wrote:Haven is much more natural flowing than salem, basically only high end tech (steel silk cheese) is gated behind waiting and farming which takes much less space than in salem and can be spammed. The entire tech tree pretty much depends on soil, clay, water and metal quality all which need to be found in the wild and protected from others (their version of purity). Quality and stats are completely uncapped and titan characters can be made since there are no timers yet alts are still cheaper and overall more efficient. Game suffers mostly from atrocious balance which kinda happened over time without it actually being intended to be that way. Criminals can basically be invincible and completely detached from production centers if you just have a series of hearthvaults and you keep teleporting between them every 24 hours. Regular producing of stuff folk aren't so lucky since even if they manage to evade getting killed their production centers aren't so lucky. Meanwhile you don't even know which town is feeding the criminals and you can give up or raze every single town in the world (not as easy as it sounds). Criminals have no qualms about raiding everything in sight unless they know for sure it's friendly to them. Game has also suffered from a looooong series of gamebreaking bugs most notably wall jumps but also over time map corruption errors that have led in the past to server wipes or just portions of map inaccessible your town was in one tough luck. Botting is huge in haven many many actions can be easily botted some are good and should have been in the game in the interface like sorting seeds feeding troughs (salem also needs this give us a button to feed a compost, turkey coop haystack etc with all that works in inventory) some are more questionable and some are why even play the game anymore. Despite all these issues the game is still great if not the fact that over time the only people that got attracted to it because of these aspects and not what actually makes the game great. Factions that abuse every bug in the book and then some up to including ddosers server crashers, clients that steal passwords, the mentioned wall jumps, the abuse of heartvaults and alts to remove the threat of pvp completely. Russians and canado-americans seem to be the big bads who just can't play nice with others. Over time lack of dev intervention and updates and the accumulation of said type of players have driven away most everyone who doesn't get their kicks from inflicting misery on others with a few exceptions (they also have to basically kiss ass and pretend their the besties with the bad guys).
Jorb and loftar started working on salem and pretty much stopped working on haven for years the big excuse was always systems need to be rebuilt from ground up liquid seeds bla bla. Now they are working on Haven 2 or hafen which up to now just seems a prettier version of the original and I fear will implement the bad stuff from salem rather than getting the good parts while at the same time not giving productive people the means to defend themselves. I hope they prove me wrong but I doubt it.
You need to get up to date on your bugs =/. What was in the past is just that.
He is somewhat right about pvp. You will find that there is ALOT more pvp in haven, however no one is unstoppable and the people who fight will roam and get ganked often.
Crafters are in higher demand and you do not NEED to have a high q soil/water/metal as these can be bought once you are ready to push quality. Working your industry isn't as much a chore as some think. No one has touched my unclaimed 90 soil and I haven't played in a year. This is close to a well known town.
being able to do litteraly nothing kills my motivation