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[Inotdead]

Well because you don't believe or have tried to look at it from my perspective, then of course you would answer like this. It would appear that people can't fly, but if you set your beliefs in stone that people can never fly. Then you will never learn how to fly. It's like my Mcdonalds example in the previous post. Believing that there is a solution for everything is the base to further the thought to expand and work with to come up with a solution.

Now srsly.. i should stop posting.

I am talking about believing in nonsense, not about believing in scientific progress you moron.
May be "flying" was not the best example for your bird brain to understand, so let me rephrase it:
It's like claiming that the chemical formula for water is H3O just because you believe in it.
And yes, yes you should.

Edt. Also if you believe it's possible you should learn how to fly, and then teach others. Flying would be awesome.

[Syndarn]

I am talking about believing in nonsense, not about believing in scientific progress you moron.

Well what do you consider as nonsense? where in your filter does a belief become nonsense? let me answer that for you. You look at it from a scientific method point of view. And if it doesn't match, it is nonsense.
You do not think of it from a spiritual way, or from a metaphysical way or any other. Because you worship science and that is the only thing you base your beliefs on, it is your foundation. That's why pseudoscience is laughed at because it has no "scientific" foundation. It might have a metaphysical or spiritual foundation. And this makes your a boxed in person like in the above videos.

Against popular belief, there actually is other tools to discover things like seeing, hearing, feeling and tasting not just crunching numbers in a lab and try to prove your mathematical formulas to match with the results of your experiments.

If you can't broaden your view into other things that are. And for the sake of the argument you would be the only person in the world. How can you advance when you don't want to leave that lab or yours that's called your head. Nobody else will tell you what to do and to think because there is no one else. Then you need to leave your lab and look at other stuff that serve you better and make you happy. You can later return to your lab and try to figure out how that observation works which you did experience when you left you lab and learn more.

[Inotdead]

Well what do you consider as nonsense? where in your filter does a belief become nonsense? let me answer that for you. You look at it from a scientific method point of view. And if it doesn't match, it is nonsense.
You do not think of it from a spiritual way, or from a metaphysical way or any other. Because you worship science and that is the only thing you base your beliefs on, it is your foundation. That's why pseudoscience is laughed at because it has no "scientific" foundation. It might have a metaphysical or spiritual foundation. And this makes your a boxed in person like in the above videos.

Against popular belief, there actually is other tools to discover things like seeing, hearing, feeling and tasting not just crunching numbers in a lab and try to prove your mathematical formulas to match with the results of your experiments.

If you can't broaden your view into other things that are. And for the sake of the argument you would be the only person in the world. How can you advance when you don't want to leave that lab or yours that's called your head. Nobody else will tell you what to do and to think because there is no one else. Then you need to leave your lab and look at other stuff that serve you better and make you happy. You can later return to your lab and try to figure out how that observation works which you did experience when you left you lab and learn more.

I made a quick list of nonsense you wrote before. Tell me how "Water actually breaks down going through pipes and looses hydrogen bonds" is not nonsense from your point of view? Explain it to me.
You also don't understand what science is and why your fantasies are neither science nor real.

[Syndarn]

Well our pipes have 90 degree turns in our houses and water treatment plants systems. there is no "high" pressure in the flow of water naturally and no 90 degree turns added to that. So the pipes and pressure mechanically breaks the structure because it doesn't let the water flow naturally. That's the reason why spring water tastes so much better than treated water. Also minerals added to the water affect the taste in treated water. Some plants don't actually treat it, they just pump it away, but still break the structure.

When more molecules are present, as is the case with liquid water, more bonds are possible because the oxygen of one water molecule has two lone pairs of electrons, each of which can form a hydrogen bond with a hydrogen on another water molecule. This can repeat such that every water molecule is H-bonded with up to four other molecules, as shown in the figure (two through its two lone pairs, and two through its two hydrogen atoms). Hydrogen bonding strongly affects the crystal structure of ice, helping to create an open hexagonal lattice. The density of ice is less than the density of water at the same temperature; thus, the solid phase of water floats on the liquid, unlike most other substances.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bond#Hydrogen_bonds_in_water

[Inotdead]

So the pipes and pressure mechanically breaks the structure because it doesn't let the water flow naturally.

Nonsense.

And also I forgot to include this part of the quote, sorry:

So if you want to drink good water you can restructure it back to it's hexagonal shape.

This also needs explanation.

[Syndarn]

Nonsense.

On what basis? If you want to say that i am wrong then one would expect you to at least offer a counter argument in how trapping water in a pipes that go 90 degrees multiple times with a pressure of up to over 10 bar in some instances, does not harm the water structure. Compared to natural flow like water in the river i think the water is treated quite violently in pipes. There is a very big difference here. Please explain.

EDIT: I also didn't claim water was perfectly structured when it came from "nature" , but i do claim that after the journey from nature to your "water tap" it has been abused quite extensively and any structure it had, is gone.

This also needs explanation.

Well you can buy this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH4tyASsjaY It has many technologies or ways incorporated what Dr. Gerald Pollack describes and some metaphysical that how you can structure water with.
But that's like the Ferrari of water structuring. It's quite beautiful. You can do it yourself at home much cheaper. Use your imagination.

We are getting very far off topic here btw.

[Inotdead]

a pressure of up to over 10 bar in some instances.

The amount of pressure in pipes is not enough to make any noticeable change to this aspect of water. And the 90 and U turns don't affect the water at all, except for pressure ofc.
That being said, I don't argue with the fact that the water from a natural source is different. But it has nothing to do with hydrogen bonds.

Well you can buy this.,,

That's not an explanation. You say you want to return water to hexagonal shape. I say water is not hexagonal to begin with.

We are getting very far off topic here btw.

I disagree. But all this ***** is exhausting. I need to take a break for a while.

[Syndarn]

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The amount of pressure in pipes is not enough to make any noticeable change to this aspect of water. And the 90 and U turns don't affect the water at all, except for pressure ofc.
That being said, I don't argue with the fact that the water from a natural source is different. But it has nothing to do with hydrogen bonds.

Here is also a reason that puts even more pressure on the water.
In short, cavitation->radicals. "The first reaction with many volatile organic compounds (VOCs) is the removal of a hydrogen atom, forming water and an alkyl radical (R•)".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_hammer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical

It get's a bit hard for me to explain, because i was just looking this up. I know something happens (belief not based on scientific method), but i can't really explain clearly yet. I hope you get some insight from that. I know this is a very unclear answer, but that's the best i could do for the time being. Very dodgy answer. Take that with a grain of salt though.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Structural_Biochemistry/Water
"Hydrogen bonds are very fragile in the liquid form of water, and the property of cohesion is observed when hydrogen bonds, collectively, hold water molecules together"

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That's not an explanation. You say you want to return water to hexagonal shape. I say water is not hexagonal to begin with.

Well here is a very extensive answer. http://www.vibrantvitalwater.com/main_education.htm

Here is a short quote from it.

What is Hexagonal Water?
Hexagonal Water is a specific arrangement of individual water molecules where 6 H2O units consistently link to form a ring-like structure. This unique arrangement is the basis of a more complex crystalline network that is formed when numerous hexagonal units join together.

All water contains a certain percentage of hexagonal units - some sources more than others. The percentage of hexagonal units appears to depend on a number of factors, including the energetic influences that water is exposed to. For example: chlorine, fluoride and many pollutants typically found in municipal waters sources reduce the number of hexagonal units. Tap water typically has a very low percentage of hexagonal structures. On the other hand, there are a number of places throughout the world where the water has a high concentration of hexagonal structures. Many of these places are known as "healing springs." Others are known for producing inhabitants that live long and disease-free lives.

How do we know when water is hexagonally structured?
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) is one of very few methods that can verify molecular size. NMR analysis shows that ordinary tap water is composed of large molecular units (between 12 and 20 individual H2O units). These unorganized molecular conglomerations must actually be metabolized (broken down) before they can enter the cell. Hexagonal water, on the other hand, easily penetrates the cellular membrane - many times faster than tap or bottled water.

Hexagonal Water is energetically more powerful!
Dr. Jhon's research has helped to show why Hexagonal Water is energetically more powerful than unstructured water. The amount of energy (calories) that Hexagonal Water can store/transfer is measurably greater than unstructured water. This is an indicator of its capacity to perform work within the body and it explains why Hexagonal Water it is the preferred choice of biological organisms. According to Dr. Jhon's research, Hexagonal Water is able to activate enzymes, support the immune system and contribute to greater metabolic balance.

[lachlaan]

What have I done .... now we're talking about magic water ._.

[Mereni]

What have I done .... now we're talking about magic water ._.

I know, right? The worst part is, he seems to think science and spirituality are mutually exclusive, and that his beliefs are all perfect and right and we are all mindless automatons just because we try to educate ourselves with what science has discovered. Like he's some kind of special.

I'm actually fairly religious myself and believe in things that science hasn't explained or discovered yet, and would be happy to have a reasonable discussion about such things, but it's just so difficult when he keeps throwing out confused, contradictory, nonsense.