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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby lachlaan » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:19 pm

Syndarn wrote:The guy who spoke claimed to have not been vaccinated. He looked quite healthy to me. Therefore i must conclude that you can survive in this world just fine by not vaccinating.


I have also seen stories of people surviving airplane crashes, and therefore I must conclude that you can survive in this world, and on an airplane, without the thing having to actually be safe or what have you. Due to that conclusion I must now also advocate that the evil cult of "engineers" out there stop all this safety measure nonsense, as it is clearly just useless hype trying to steal our money by overpricing flights to supposedly pay for safety checks (that for all we know never happen!). So yes, I vote we all fly on the wings of broken logic instead of safe airplanes, while carrying giant banners saying "***** vaccines!".
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Syndarn » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:55 pm

Mereni wrote:Sure you can in THIS part of the world, where many people are vaccinated so that those who don't or can't, for some reason, get vaccinated will still be pretty safe. However, if enough people stop getting vaccines, that will change.

I think in THOSE parts of the world, the lack of pure water and food kills more than a bacterial infection.

Mereni wrote:He says that because he's a ***** liar. There have been many, many studies, and there are still more studies going on.

In what point? that there is no good studies or that he has vaccinated himself and claims he hasn't?

Mereni wrote:A seven year study on over a half a million children testing vaccination of MMR vs diagnosis of Autism:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134
Result: There was no association between the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autistic disorder.


There are many other vaccines than just the MMR one. What about them? also it is said that 5811 of the children got symptoms. (i wouldn't want to be one of those) Statistically speaking out of 537,303 children it is not very many. The study did not say that did the rest have a increased risk to develop or did they develop any other illnesses like inflammation or flu like symptoms or something similar.

Mereni wrote:A study of children in Senegal who are vaccinated against measles vs those who aren't:
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/1 ... ong.7.aspx

That is hardly a very controlled environment. What were these children eating etc? did they have very different living conditions? and did they have any other vaccines prior to the measles vaccine?

Mereni wrote:The effects on the mortality rate of the elderly in hospitals where the staff gets their influenza vaccine:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/175/1/1.short

"However, there have been no controlled studies to show whether this approach is effective."

Mereni wrote:Efficacy of a Varicella vaccine in several preschools:
http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/1 ... ine.4.aspx

Why would you even want to vaccinate yourself against something like this? My immune system fixed this quite well by itself. But i was also vaccinated prior with some vaccine i think, maybe mmr, so did they take into account that it might have made me more prone to get this disease?
Mereni wrote:Efficacy of a Tuberculosis vaccine:
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.asp ... eid=366365

A study showing milder measles infection or no infection at all in vaccinated children in Guinea-Bissau, where measles mortality is normally very high:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/154/5/858.short


All in all these studies are following a pattern of Vaccine 1X against Disease 1X .. success rate %. But they don't take into account as far as i could tell by quickly looking at the abstracts that if you are more prone to get sick to the common flu, or develop allergies or something else. Every singly one of these studies seem to look down at a very narrow path and not take into account the broader picture. They might in the study itself, but don't say in the abstracts that if the person has got a vaccine prior for another disease.. what is the benefits or complications on combining these vaccines.
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Inotdead » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:00 am

lachlaan wrote:
Syndarn wrote:The guy who spoke claimed to have not been vaccinated. He looked quite healthy to me. Therefore i must conclude that you can survive in this world just fine by not vaccinating.


I have also seen stories of people surviving airplane crashes, and therefore I must conclude that you can survive in this world, and on an airplane, without the thing having to actually be safe or what have you. Due to that conclusion I must now also advocate that the evil cult of "engineers" out there stop all this safety measure nonsense, as it is clearly just useless hype trying to steal our money by overpricing flights to supposedly pay for safety checks (that for all we know never happen!). So yes, I vote we all fly on the wings of broken logic instead of safe airplanes, while carrying giant banners saying "***** vaccines!".


I hear you, not only them, but structural engineers also!
They make all these expensive elevators and stairs, just so people could stare at the advertising posters all the time, and also to demand more rent money,
when in reality you could just drop down 10 stores and be just fine, there were countless stories of people doing that without any consequences!
I suggest people protest that by refraining from using an elevator, and going straight out of window instead!
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Syndarn » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:04 am

Inotdead wrote:
lachlaan wrote:
Syndarn wrote:The guy who spoke claimed to have not been vaccinated. He looked quite healthy to me. Therefore i must conclude that you can survive in this world just fine by not vaccinating.


I have also seen stories of people surviving airplane crashes, and therefore I must conclude that you can survive in this world, and on an airplane, without the thing having to actually be safe or what have you. Due to that conclusion I must now also advocate that the evil cult of "engineers" out there stop all this safety measure nonsense, as it is clearly just useless hype trying to steal our money by overpricing flights to supposedly pay for safety checks (that for all we know never happen!). So yes, I vote we all fly on the wings of broken logic instead of safe airplanes, while carrying giant banners saying "***** vaccines!".


I hear you, not only them, but structural engineers also!
They make all these expensive elevators and stairs, just so people could stare at the advertising posters all the time, and also to demand more rent money,
when in reality you could just drop down 10 stores and be just fine, there were countless stories of people doing that without any consequences!
I suggest people protest that by refraining from using an elevator, and going straight out of window instead!


Why are you two retards mixing biochemistry with structural engineering. It is obvious they have nothing to do with each other. Or are you just trying to be funny but failing so hard you deserve a award?
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Inotdead » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:10 am

Syndarn wrote:Why are you two retards mixing biochemistry with structural engineering. It is obvious they have nothing to do with each other. Or are you just trying to be funny but failing so hard you deserve a award?


Are you getting dumber each day, so that you can't even read properly now?
No one said they have something in common, no one mixed anything. We are just applyng your logic in other fields, and turns out it works just fine.
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby lachlaan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:24 am

Syndarn wrote:Why are you two retards mixing biochemistry with structural engineering. It is obvious they have nothing to do with each other. Or are you just trying to be funny but failing so hard you deserve a award?


My little anecdote was just meant to point out that you seem to love logical phalluses, or was it falacies? Or maybe it was both. Either way, I am very concerned that while technically the minimum age for salem should be 13, a lot of children click "Why yes Sir, of course I'm over 13" regardless of their age, and they then come into contact with this misinformed ***** you spew all over the forums and think that your posts reflect proper reasoning. Mereni has provided more than enough links to studies that at the very least (just to be generous) partially wreck that guy's claims. If you can't take those studies for what they are and do the logical math on your own then please refrain from attempting to spread your misinformation to other people, some of them might actually believe it.

In the end I'm just reverting back to my stance from the extraterrestrial topic, I DO NOT EVEN. And also WAT.
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Syndarn » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:25 am

What you two apparently failed to understand was that the initial argument of the video clip was a person with vaccines vs a non vaccinated. The video suggests that in general the person who is not vaccinated is more healthy and vital through his whole life, than a person who is vaccinated. My logic is not against safety, i am merely questioning the overall effectiveness of the vaccine vs healing naturally and keeping your body immune system in top notch with a healthy lifestyle. (and not having a chance to suffer any complications from vaccines)

Do we have a practical study of lets say 5000 people that gets all vaccines they want vs 5000 people that don't get any vaccine at all, ever. They live their lives as usual to let's say from a infant to 40 or 50, and every time when they get sick they report what disease they have got and if they used any antibiotics/medicine. That is a study i would like to see. I understand that it is very hard to control all the factors, but i don't see a reason to do that. All people live different lives, eat, sleep, live and exercise differently.
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Dallane » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:26 am

Have they made a vaccine to stop the skeletons from coming out of our bodies?
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Syndarn » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:28 am

Dallane wrote:Have they made a vaccine to stop the skeletons from coming out of our bodies?


Yes you can make it yourself by drinking 10 liters of mercury.
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Re: an ebola reminder

Postby Dallane » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:41 am

Syndarn wrote:
Dallane wrote:Have they made a vaccine to stop the skeletons from coming out of our bodies?


Yes you can make it yourself by drinking 10 liters of mercury.


FINALLY! A cure for the skeleton plague!
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