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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby MagicManICT » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:33 pm

Procne wrote:Shelters probably do only basic health exams.


Depends on the shelter. Certified shelters can do very extensive exams, vaccines, and such, and usually mandate sterilization.

With animals from breeders you also know the parents and grandparents of the pet. And you can expect that genetic issues were excluded through selective breeding.

Not even close to reality. Breeds are created for specific looks or personality types. Sometimes you get rid of some genetic issues, sometimes more are created. Inbreeding is a *****.

Also, you get a young animal from a breeder, so it's easier to train it. Pets at shelters have their characters already formed.

While the latter part is true, character can be changed (ie manipulated). While, much like people, certain core things will always be there from previous experiences, new experiences can override the old learning. Anxiety issues are the worst because of the strength of fear in mammals.

It's a bit similar to why people prefer to raise their own children than to adopt them.

you know how hard it is to adopt a child? Besides, most people can't even raise their own children properly. Well enough? Sure, but properly? Nah, not really. I won't even mention the willingness to adopt. It's easier to get a cat or dog that will listen and obey rather than deal with a rational (or irrational) human child.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Inotdead » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:51 pm

MagicManICT wrote:
Procne wrote:With animals from breeders you also know the parents and grandparents of the pet. And you can expect that genetic issues were excluded through selective breeding.

Not even close to reality. Breeds are created for specific looks or personality types. Sometimes you get rid of some genetic issues, sometimes more are created. Inbreeding is a *****.


I have very little idea about sheltered or bred dogs, because the only dog I ever had had strangely appeared on our doormat when I was a kid. It was a stray puppy ca. 2 months old, and what an adorable little lady she was.

However I once read an article, which claimed, that animals from breeders are actually more susceptible to diseases, than random ones, and quite often are already born unhealthy due to inbreeding and pursuit for looks or other traits. It had a list of breeds and breed-specific disorders, which were supposedly quite common to them, followed by a short explanation, something like: "dachshunds often have back injuries because they were bred to be long. which had a bad impact on the spine".
I was quite skeptical of that paragraph, because it was written in the tone of "cruel humans abuse animals for their(humans') pleasure", so you can imagine what vibe it was radiating, but I guess there was some seed of truth to it after all.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby trungdle » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:00 pm

Same thing applies for goldfishes. There are fancy ones that are technically handicapped like ryukin (their huge humps bend their digestion tracts) and ranchu ( no back fins) but they are cute. Really if you put them in the same tank with a real goldfish they will be out competed in food. I love looking at them and tried to justify myself to buy one but I just can't. My dear former one was a real goldfish and I'm proud of not promoting malpractice of torturing fishes. Remember the time when girls have to shrink their feet in Asia? I think it's *****.

Edit: just can't stress enough how cute they are:
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Mereni » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:05 pm

Inotdead wrote:animals from breeders are actually more susceptible to diseases, than random ones, and quite often are already born unhealthy due to inbreeding and pursuit for looks.


This is sadly very true. I believe there are efforts underway now to help alleviate the worse of such problems, but a number of dog breeds and some cat breeds too have breed specific problems due to initial gene pools of some breeds being only a few animals, and some breeders caring more about the specific breed traits than about overall health.

My mother had an Irish Setter when I was a child. I believe we got her from someone who didn't want her once her medical problems became apparent. She had hip dysplasia, which is one of a few maladies the breed suffers from. She had to be put on medicine to help relieve the pain at a fairly young age and she did not live to be an old dog.
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