an ebola reminder

[Lusewing]

That article is not against vaccines, it is against the use of a mercury based preservative used in some vaccine.

[Procne]

I think arguing against vaccines in general is totally idiotic. You could as well argue against whole western medicine.

However, there is a valid concern whether specific vaccines are really safe, properly tested and whether they indeed are what they are stated to be.

[Mereni]

The CDC owns the patent to ebola though.

http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en

You cant put a patent on something that occurs in nature, I mean, you can't just put a patent on ***** trees or grass or squirrels like you ***** invented that ****.

That's something I don't understand.
It would be fine if tha patent was about methods of detection of the virus. But the listed patent includes also the structure and strains of the virus.
Which gets more weird - in 2010 US Supreme Court has ruled that things like isolated DNA cannot be considered inventions and thus cannot be patented. AFAIR Europe and Australia still allow those to be patented. Then why the single country, which has forbidden patenting DNA, is now patenting isolated virus strains?

And putting the tinfoil hat away - if the virus was engineered by government, as some people claim, why the hell would it patent it if it wanted to avoid the accusations?

That looks more like a patent for vaccines, but maybe not? Either way, that is about Bundibugyo ebolavirus which is quite a bit less deadly than the one in Africa right now, which is Zaire ebolavirus. Perhaps like Cowpox makes one immune to Chickenpox, this less deadly virus makes you immune to the other ebola species as well? If so, it would make sense to patent and base a vaccine off the species that is already less deadly to begin with.

It sounds like some of you in this thread were also implying ebola is an airborne virus... it's not.

It's not as far as i know.

Do you guys who speak for vaccines even read the material that is against it? here is a perfectly good example article.
http://preventdisease.com/news/14/061714_CDC-Vaccine-Safety-Research-Exposed-Flawed-Falsified.shtml

Let me give you some quick quotes from that.

"165 Studies Have Found Thimerosal to be Harmful"
"What most people do not realize is although the FDA gave a two year deadline to remove thimerosal from vaccines after the deadly neurotoxin was banned in 1999, they continue to appear in vaccine formulations to this day. "

Now read the rest if you are interested.

Now a follow up question: If FDA is corrupt and feeding you *****. What else could be wrong?

You've been told so many lies about vaccines I don't even know where to start, so I'll just stick to the last thing you said here. Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in the US and Europe years ago because of popular fears that it might be dangerous. In fact, the mercury Thimerosal added to a vaccine is significantly less than that found in a can of tuna.

As for the Autism thing that originally sparked such panic over vaccines possibly being harmful, Andrew Wakefield was proven a fraud. Just look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

Additionally, there is no 'natural immunity' to these diseases developing. If your children are unvaccinated and that manage to make it through life without getting measles or polio or any of the other horrible maladies that vaccines prevent, it is only because all the children around them are vaccinated and so the diseases find it difficult to spread. However, some diseases are indeed coming back thanks to so many people swallowing lies about vaccines whole. This PreventDisease.com site you referenced for example, it doesn't look in the least bit credible, and it uses a lot of scare words, the kind that are designed to make people too frightened to actually stop and think.

[lachlaan]

it uses a lot of scare words, the kind that are designed to make people too frightened to actually stop and think.

If you get your kids vaccinated, they will DIE!!!!!1111!11!1one

eventually...

I don't even have the energy in me to begin arguing with people that dismiss vaccines, or that embrace sweeping generalizations about anything relevant in their lives.

[trungdle]

One guy called the unibomber tried to turn us back into hunter gatherer by killing all the smart professors, LoL.
Same thing here, either they are too self centered or they are smart and crazy.

[Syndarn]

You've been told so many lies about vaccines I don't even know where to start, so I'll just stick to the last thing you said here.

I haven't actually been told any lies. Most of this is what i have figured out myself because of i have bad experiences with vaccines and healthcare in general. I don't need to read articles like i posted before, to be honest i didn't even bother to read the article, it i just googled it and linked it to prove my point. The information is out there for the seeker. If you don't seek answers and decide to swallow everything the government feeds you, you will never find out if they messed with you in the first place. feel free to get a vaccine, so i am not stopping you.

If you take a a vaccine and get "immunized" then you shouldn't have to worry about me if i don't take it.. ill just die to it. You are immune right. So don't worry you won't die or get sick. Doesn't matter if i stand next to you with a disease, you are immune. The vaccine will save you. right? so what's the goddamn problem.

it uses a lot of scare words, the kind that are designed to make people too frightened to actually stop and think.

ah geez... i don't even want to comment on that one...

[Mereni]

I haven't actually been told any lies. Most of this is what i have figured out myself because of i have bad experiences with vaccines and healthcare in general. I don't need to read articles like i posted before, to be honest i didn't even bother to read the article, it i just googled it and linked it to prove my point.

*headdesk*

If you take a a vaccine and get "immunized" then you shouldn't have to worry about me if i don't take it.. ill just die to it. You are immune right. So don't worry you won't die or get sick. Doesn't matter if i stand next to you with a disease, you are immune. The vaccine will save you. right? so what's the goddamn problem.

The 'goddamn problem' is that most vaccines are given in early childhood and it is the parent's decision, not a federal law, that decides whether or not they are administered. It's not your vaccines I'm worried about as your parents likely got you vaccinated so all you will miss out on is a few boosters for a small subset of diseases. There may be be some out there who feel that it's perfectly just that your children should die for your stupidity, but I think they should be allowed to grow up and have the chance to make their own stupid decisions.

[trungdle]

I've made vaccine in my school. They are actually stupid microorganisms who don't know how to troll anymore. I put the poor things into chicken eggs for a while and they become stupid enough. You are wrong about immunization. It doesn't give you new stuff or kill you. It just means that you are prepared for what is comming your way. We give you ****** virus to fight so you can deal with the real one better and know what to expect. Those experience will be remembered by a type of white blood cell. That's all. You are being scared of studying new ways to protect yourself. It's your choice but let's not give others false information like google and other corporation did. You criticized their truth worthy, don't do the same.
If I give my child the right to choose whether or not to take vaccine, they can die before I know it, or running around spreading it in the playground. Also, why don't I ask my child if they want to be born or not first? How about when I have sex with my wife, should I consult my sperms and her eggs before hand?
Your body do it all even if you had vaccine or not.
I don't trust anyone or the government, I believe in science. God, also, but not all the time.

[Procne]

You've been told so many lies about vaccines I don't even know where to start, so I'll just stick to the last thing you said here.

I haven't actually been told any lies. Most of this is what i have figured out myself because of i have bad experiences with vaccines and healthcare in general. I don't need to read articles like i posted before, to be honest i didn't even bother to read the article, it i just googled it and linked it to prove my point. The information is out there for the seeker. If you don't seek answers and decide to swallow everything the government feeds you, you will never find out if they messed with you in the first place. feel free to get a vaccine, so i am not stopping you.

Oh god, it must be a troll. It's basically saying "I haven't done any research and I'm totally clueless but I know better. You do your research to see I'm right"

[Darwoth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvc73-kAF0