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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Kandarim » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:31 pm

Potjeh wrote:I'm pretty sure that animal shelters do a health exam on animals before they put them up for adoption. And you can interact with the animals before you decide which one to adopt, so you can pick out one with a personality you like. And mutts are generally a LOT healthier than purebreds.


Maybe we did just pick a bad one at the shelter the first time, but given what we experienced with two cats gotten from the shelter in my youth, I sure know that I'll be buying future pets at a breeder and not get them from a shelter.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Procne » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:38 pm

Shelters probably do only basic health exams.
With animals from breeders you also know the parents and grandparents of the pet. And you can expect that genetic issues were excluded through selective breeding.
Also, you get a young animal from a breeder, so it's easier to train it. Pets at shelters have their characters already formed.

It's a bit similar to why people prefer to raise their own children than to adopt them.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Potjeh » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:40 pm

Breeding is more about including than excluding genetic issues, because deformations that lower life quality and expectancy are "cute".

And can't you get young animals at shelters too?
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Thor » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:10 pm

Icon wrote:
Thor wrote:Pff, women are best pets. They clean, cook, iron clothes and eat schlong.


You stole that from my match.com profile


Hah, sorry 'bout that bro!
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby kai » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:34 pm

Goldfish should be in a pond outside. perhaps the poor fish thought this way was better.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Ukhata » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:46 pm

Potjeh wrote:Breeding is more about including than excluding genetic issues, because deformations that lower life quality and expectancy are "cute".

And can't you get young animals at shelters too?


unfortunatly, breeding is about keeping certain charasteristics in a working dog, which is what the breeds are meant for. nowadays it is used to keep a certain appearance standard, which is stupid.

thats what i mean with reputable breeders, not appearance breeders.
reputable breeder is trying to keep the breed intact AND healthy by breeding with different and even root strains.
in germany there is a german shepherd breeder who remixed the breed with an actual wolf, and then diluted that down to healthier german shepherds with straight backs and NO joint problems.

that is a good breeder.
and thats is why you buy from a breeder, for THOSE dogs.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Mereni » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:05 pm

Procne wrote:Shelters probably do only basic health exams.
With animals from breeders you also know the parents and grandparents of the pet. And you can expect that genetic issues were excluded through selective breeding.
Also, you get a young animal from a breeder, so it's easier to train it. Pets at shelters have their characters already formed.

It's a bit similar to why people prefer to raise their own children than to adopt them.


Don't knock shelters, they do good work. I've gotten all my pets from shelters over the years and I volunteer as well. Qualified vets will examine and treat shelter animals pro bono, give them all their vaccines, microchips, and spay/neuter, you get an awesome deal when you get a shelter animal.

Also, if a young animal is what you want, you can get that from a shelter. Just last Friday I was at the local shelter and they got four batches of a total of about 20 tiny kittens just barely past weening age all in one day. A lot of people forget though, that training a kitten or puppy is a lot of work, and most shelter animals were owned and housetrained at the least before they were abandoned/released/seized, so they are tame and friendly and when they are adults, they tend to be more laid back and calm as well. You can still teach an old dog new tricks, that wives' tail is not at all true.

As for getting an animal it turns out you don't match, all shelters have greeting rooms you can take your animal to and play with it for awhile. You don't have to grab one and go, you can come back every day for a couple days and play with different animals. If it's a dog, ask to take it for a walk and see how it behaves. And of course, the staff works with the animals every day, ask them what kind of personality the animal has, and they probably know.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Darwoth » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:34 pm

dogs are more intelligent than most of the ***** on this forum. from personal knowledge on the matter shelter dogs typically "remember" their roots if you get them at 8 months or older of age and are generally the most loyal/protective dogs you will find so long as you yourself are not the weak link in the relationship.

comparing identical age ranges (as puppies are 100% shaped by their owner) a shelter adoption beats the **** out of a non shelter adoption more often than not, i know a dog trainer that would actually have his owners stick the hardest to work with dogs in a shelter for a few weeks before proceeding with the program. like sending your brat off to military school so they realize how good they have it at home.

in many cases it is literally the difference between a kid that grew up in rural montana riding dirtbikes and working a job to buy his own gas vs some worthless little ***** that is given the newest cellphone/video game/tv by his inept parents every six months.
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby alprice » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:23 pm

Datwoth is right, kids now a days don't understand what wanting something even means. They have so much and don't appreciate it. Mine got her dragon by bringing home awesome grades!
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Re: My goldfish has just died.

Postby Argost » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:49 am

Spent almost $1000.00 on our English Mastiff. She is the most loyal, loving and protective dog we have EVER owned. Not knocking shelter dogs, just am very happy with the money we spent for our dog :)
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