Did anyone else Lose their last location?

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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Necromateur » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:22 pm

loftar wrote:
Necromateur wrote:And nope, I didn't read it wrong. The location wasn't properly stored.

You certainly did read that wrong, because no such message exists in the game. :)

However, the items aren't just deleted, but dropped where you did log out, so if it wasn't far from your homestead, you could have gone to pick them up. I guess it's too late for that now, though.


Verbatim? Perhaps you're right, but the message said, in its context, that the server did NOT know where in the hell I was when it crashed. Given that it had no clue where I was, it assumed I was 'away' from my homestead (which I, in fact, was not. . . I was standing 1-2 tiles away from my claimstone when it crashed). Given the 'assumption' that I was not on my homestead (given the admission that the server did NOT log my location properly(perhaps THAT'S the verbatim message you seek), how in the hell would it know where to place these items? It didn't. . . it took them out of my pack and they went 'poof'. How do I know this? Because when I logged in, 2 tiles away from where I was at when the server crashed, my items were not where they were when it crapped out.

So, do you have any other explanation for this? I assume you're a dev? I make that assumption based on others speaking of "loft" regarding patch notes.

If you are, I'd love for you to look into that for me, because frankly, it's horse-sh*t. Just sayin'.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Kandarim » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:27 pm

If I were you I would just quit here :) If the original dev of the server code does not know about such an error, it is most likely because it does not exist. It might be that it happened, but the server would never admit its failure to you ¦]

You are spinning a story out of things you *think* *might* have happened.

I haven't ever had anything like it, either.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Necromateur » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:36 pm

Kandarim wrote:If I were you I would just quit here :) If the original dev of the server code does not know about such an error, it is most likely because it does not exist. It might be that it happened, but the server would never admit its failure to you ¦]

You are spinning a story out of things you *think* *might* have happened.

I haven't ever had anything like it, either.


So because you haven't had anything happen to you like that, it doesn't exist and I'm simply making it up?

I'm not asking for money back, I'm not asking for items (because quite frankly, I don't know what all I lost that was of any value other than an Indian feather, but meh). So what is the purpose of me "spinning a story" if I'm asking for nothing to compensate my loss?

What I'm saying is that the server crashed, when I logged in and hit 'play' on my main char, it gave me that message -- that the server didn't know where I was when I logged and that my inventory will be wiped after it spawns me at my homestead. I was given two options of 'yes' and 'no', because it obviously didn't want me to just log in and *gasp* all my stuff magically disappeared. I click no, it goes nowhere. I click yes and exactly what it said would happen, happened.

You're telling me I should stop talking about it? Why? What about when it happens to someone that has a ton of awesome things on his person? What if it happened to a dev? What if it happened to you? Would you not want to say something about it? Of course you would.

So why do I continue posting about it? Because people don't seem to believe that it happened and are trying to "spin" things around as if either I'm making it up, didn't read the message correctly, or it was somehow my fault. All I can say to that is "wtf?" Seriously? Someone gets their entire inventory wiped because of a server-side issue and somehow I'm the villain here?

I've heard the term 'fanboi/girl' before, but this really does top all that.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Procne » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:50 pm

Necromateur wrote:
Kandarim wrote:If I were you I would just quit here :) If the original dev of the server code does not know about such an error, it is most likely because it does not exist. It might be that it happened, but the server would never admit its failure to you ¦]

You are spinning a story out of things you *think* *might* have happened.

I haven't ever had anything like it, either.


So because you haven't had anything happen to you like that, it doesn't exist and I'm simply making it up?

I'm not asking for money back, I'm not asking for items (because quite frankly, I don't know what all I lost that was of any value other than an Indian feather, but meh). So what is the purpose of me "spinning a story" if I'm asking for nothing to compensate my loss?

What I'm saying is that the server crashed, when I logged in and hit 'play' on my main char, it gave me that message -- that the server didn't know where I was when I logged and that my inventory will be wiped after it spawns me at my homestead. I was given two options of 'yes' and 'no', because it obviously didn't want me to just log in and *gasp* all my stuff magically disappeared. I click no, it goes nowhere. I click yes and exactly what it said would happen, happened.

You're telling me I should stop talking about it? Why? What about when it happens to someone that has a ton of awesome things on his person? What if it happened to a dev? What if it happened to you? Would you not want to say something about it? Of course you would.

So why do I continue posting about it? Because people don't seem to believe that it happened and are trying to "spin" things around as if either I'm making it up, didn't read the message correctly, or it was somehow my fault. All I can say to that is "wtf?" Seriously? Someone gets their entire inventory wiped because of a server-side issue and somehow I'm the villain here?

I've heard the term 'fanboi/girl' before, but this really does top all that.


Ok, let me put it this way - picture or it didn't happen.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Necromateur » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Procne wrote:
Necromateur wrote:
Kandarim wrote:If I were you I would just quit here :) If the original dev of the server code does not know about such an error, it is most likely because it does not exist. It might be that it happened, but the server would never admit its failure to you ¦]

You are spinning a story out of things you *think* *might* have happened.

I haven't ever had anything like it, either.


So because you haven't had anything happen to you like that, it doesn't exist and I'm simply making it up?

I'm not asking for money back, I'm not asking for items (because quite frankly, I don't know what all I lost that was of any value other than an Indian feather, but meh). So what is the purpose of me "spinning a story" if I'm asking for nothing to compensate my loss?

What I'm saying is that the server crashed, when I logged in and hit 'play' on my main char, it gave me that message -- that the server didn't know where I was when I logged and that my inventory will be wiped after it spawns me at my homestead. I was given two options of 'yes' and 'no', because it obviously didn't want me to just log in and *gasp* all my stuff magically disappeared. I click no, it goes nowhere. I click yes and exactly what it said would happen, happened.

You're telling me I should stop talking about it? Why? What about when it happens to someone that has a ton of awesome things on his person? What if it happened to a dev? What if it happened to you? Would you not want to say something about it? Of course you would.

So why do I continue posting about it? Because people don't seem to believe that it happened and are trying to "spin" things around as if either I'm making it up, didn't read the message correctly, or it was somehow my fault. All I can say to that is "wtf?" Seriously? Someone gets their entire inventory wiped because of a server-side issue and somehow I'm the villain here?

I've heard the term 'fanboi/girl' before, but this really does top all that.


Ok, let me put it this way - picture or it didn't happen.


At least this game is good enough to have fanbois dedicated to ignoring game-ending issues. Why the f**** would I make that up?

Go back under your bridge, troll.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby TotalyMeow » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:45 pm

Necromateur wrote:Someone gets their entire inventory wiped because of a server-side issue and somehow I'm the villain here?


The trouble is that people think you are lying because this just doesn't happen. You see, there is a situation where someone who is way out in the wilderness with an inventory full of awesome loot from a claim they just robbed could log out, have a stone put where they were standing and when they log in again, they get teleported home. IF they were allowed to keep that inventory, that gets around the 'no porting with inventory unless you are in boston or at home' rule. So, if you log out somewhere and that somewhere gets blocked, you have to lose your inventory to go home.

This doesn't happen very often. Mostly, it happens with gates and claimstones because both have a hitbox, you're just allowed to walk through it. If you were next to your fireplace lighting a fire when it happened that should not have caused this problem, but if it did then logging in would have dropped your things on the ground, not deleted them. Inventory does not get 'wiped'. Since your fireplace was two steps from your claim, you should have been able to simply walk over there and pick your stuff back up.

Several people have told you this by now so your continued insistence that you got 'wiped' is not going to meet with continued polite replies.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Procne » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:05 pm

Necromateur wrote:At least this game is good enough to have fanbois dedicated to ignoring game-ending issues. Why the f**** would I make that up?

Go back under your bridge, troll.

I'm not saying you made that up. I'm saying you misunderstood error message or didn't read it correctly.

Why the ***** would game dev tell you there is no such error message if it wasn't truth?

Thing you have described hadn't happened ever in the 3 years of this game. And now you come and say it happened to you, with no evidence to back it up, even though dev says it's not possible.

What's more probable - that dev, who knows game code, is wrong or the fact you, who has no inside knowledge, is right about the dev being wrong?


My personal opinion is that you have seen the error for few seconds, haven't read it carefully and now are simply writing about what you "think" you saw.

In any case - what are you expecting from devs if you can't bring any evidence of said bug? Scan the whole code and spend hours pondering of how would the reported "bug" could be possible?

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That's probably the error you got. There is another one for when the location has been claimed
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Necromateur » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:58 pm

TotalyMeow wrote:
Necromateur wrote:Someone gets their entire inventory wiped because of a server-side issue and somehow I'm the villain here?


The trouble is that people think you are lying because this just doesn't happen. You see, there is a situation where someone who is way out in the wilderness with an inventory full of awesome loot from a claim they just robbed could log out, have a stone put where they were standing and when they log in again, they get teleported home. IF they were allowed to keep that inventory, that gets around the 'no porting with inventory unless you are in boston or at home' rule. So, if you log out somewhere and that somewhere gets blocked, you have to lose your inventory to go home.

This doesn't happen very often. Mostly, it happens with gates and claimstones because both have a hitbox, you're just allowed to walk through it. If you were next to your fireplace lighting a fire when it happened that should not have caused this problem, but if it did then logging in would have dropped your things on the ground, not deleted them. Inventory does not get 'wiped'. Since your fireplace was two steps from your claim, you should have been able to simply walk over there and pick your stuff back up.

Several people have told you this by now so your continued insistence that you got 'wiped' is not going to meet with continued polite replies.


See, but therein lies the problem where I'm not lying. I didn't just 'die' out in the wilderness. The server crapped out, didn't 'log' my location, so it wiped my inventory. The message came up in a little box and said the server 'couldn't' or 'didn't' or whatever, log my location. That's not my issue, that's server-side.

I'm not just saying this to hear myself talk or to justify why I lost things out in the woods. I wasn't in the woods, I was right by my claimstone, and my stuff was not there. . . . the stuff wouldn't BE there anyway, because the game did NOT know my location. . . that's what the message said. It said it didn't know where I was, so it spawned me at the claimstone and wiped my inventory, as it would "have" to since it was essentially "TP'ing" me from "somewhere" to my claimstone.

I haven't received too many polite replies, so I can't really expect much else from people that just flat-out think I'm lying. I'm not, so it really doesn't matter what you guys think. The problem here is with their server and they need to be aware of this potentially game-ending 'bug' that may not have ever happened before, but it did happen.

Say I was a "paying player," and a veteran. Would the devs, like the one earlier, just call me a liar when I asked for compensation for lost items due to a server issue? I don't know, because I'm not that player, but if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. And oddly enough, I was logged into two different accounts, both crapped out at the same time, but only the one account "forgot" its location. So I don't know what's going on. But instead of everyone passing judgment on me, calling me a liar, and blaming the issue on me, they should be saying "wth?" And the devs should go check out the logs for this account at the time their servers went down yesterday. That's what should be happening.

So I'm just going to leave it at this. And if everyone keeps wanting to call me a liar, I hope it happens to them when they have a few hundred silver in their inventory. Ya' never know when it'll happen, but I certainly hope a veteran has to deal with this issue as well so that you guys will see that I'm not making this **** up. It makes no sense for me to just concoct this story when I'm not asking for any compensation whatsoever. None. I've already replaced the things I think I lost so I'm not worried about it. But if it happens again, I hope some big-paying player loses a bunch of crap so that maybe, just maybe, I won't get a snarky, wave-of-the-hand remark from a dev that knows every error message off the top of his head.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Don't start breaking forum rules just because you don't understand the explanation you've been given several times now for what happened. There is no bug, your inventory wasn't wiped, don't dodge the profanity filter.

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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Procne » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:06 pm

If you were by your claimstone and your homestead is a leanto then you got the error I linked. Claimstone also blocks you from logging in.
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Re: Did anyone else Lose their last location?

Postby Necromateur » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:06 pm

Procne wrote:If you were by your claimstone and your homestead is a leanto then you got the error I linked. Claimstone also blocks you from logging in.


My claimstone is my homestead. I switched as soon as I got the writ.
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