I´m in Britain, wat do?

[loftar]

We would be able to both be correct in that regards. While upholding its old ways I only see a problem that assisted the destruction thereof the Empire: Making Christianity the state religion. It was heavily put down at points but was better fit when it was not a center for politics. The limited time it was accepted, before being required, and considered equal among other religions in the eyes of the Republic, is when I say it avoided conflict.

I must admit I'm not quite sure what you're arguing. You began by speaking of social liberalism and national socialism, and then went on to speak of them as being a consequence of the fall of the Roman Empire. I'm sure you realize that there are about 1500 years in the meantime that you haven't quite accounted for. ^^

What I, on my hand, meant, was that liberalism in its various forms, only seemed to have been able to rise with the death of the Christianity that had flourished during those 1500 years.

This is a New Order of the World, and we sirs, are living in it already. Time to wake up and smell the roses. Its not coming, its already here, to stay.

That's quite accurate, if not entirely. You would probably find more resonance with Jorb in that statement of defeatism. ^^

I on my hand tend to think that, while the New World Order appears to be winning or having won on most if not all fronts, there is still tradition left in peoples' minds which I like to try and believe can be resurrected, and that, on a positive note, the NWO cannot actually "win" since its very formulations depends on "stolen ideas" from tradition and that it's too philosophically empty to be able to truly stand on its own. It can only bring about its own ruin in the end. I'm just hoping its ruin comes before the ruination of everything we hold dear.

It arrived generations ago in a powder keg. It was primed, and when it went off, the heads of Kings and Queens rolled. Entire nations were carved out in extremely short time spans. Embroiled in ideas such as Liberalism, Nationalism, Patriotic Ideals, Socialism, Republicanism, the destruction of rights to property, inheritance, family, traditions and customs, and the over all sacredness of these various things. Revolution, revolution, revolution, revolution.

y u mak me feel dis way TT

Yes, guns, god and jesus.

Oh come one. That's what the masons want you to believe. ^^

[Lord_of_War]

I was there for a layover, and very wtf.

Go ahead loftar educate me on your crazy ****.

Also that anime is a little creepy-ish.

[The_Witch_King]

We would be able to both be correct in that regards. While upholding its old ways I only see a problem that assisted the destruction thereof the Empire: Making Christianity the state religion. It was heavily put down at points but was better fit when it was not a center for politics. The limited time it was accepted, before being required, and considered equal among other religions in the eyes of the Republic, is when I say it avoided conflict.

I must admit I'm not quite sure what you're arguing. You began by speaking of social liberalism and national socialism, and then went on to speak of them as being a consequence of the fall of the Roman Empire. I'm sure you realize that there are about 1500 years in the meantime that you haven't quite accounted for. ^^

What I, on my hand, meant, was that liberalism in its various forms, only seemed to have been able to rise with the death of the Christianity that had flourished during those 1500 years.

I was starting from what my education and self study has come to as a conclusion. Yes, though, I do know how much time has passeed since these events yet they still scar the current world.

I stand along the idea that Social-Liberalism thereof Western culture would have evolveed far better, and in tune, if the Roman Republic did not change in certain areas pre-Christianity, and during Christianity's grace peeriod. Actual events due to the fall and its reasons however? No, they were only linked in the areas of education and philosophy. They just so happened to give rise to certain people, nothing more. There are few events after the fall that dictated Europe in those years that are worth while in my opinion. As the incorrect form of a Profligate religion held a firm control during most of those 1,500 years.

It arrived generations ago in a powder keg. It was primed, and when it went off, the heads of Kings and Queens rolled. Entire nations were carved out in extremely short time spans. Embroiled in ideas such as Liberalism, Nationalism, Patriotic Ideals, Socialism, Republicanism, the destruction of rights to property, inheritance, family, traditions and customs, and the over all sacredness of these various things. Revolution, revolution, revolution, revolution.

y u mak me feel dis way TT

It goes down better with a gallon of bourbon and a .45, speaking from experience.

[Lord_of_War]

This is what happens when you invite philosophers to a historical discussion....

[The_Witch_King]

This is what happens when you invite philosophers to a historical discussion....

History is dictated by:
Philosophy.
Sex.
Money.
Power.
People who like to watch others bleed for fun.

[Lord_of_War]

Cough money Cough

[The_Witch_King]

Cough money Cough

How else would I buy my bullets to pillage and rape the locals?

[Lord_of_War]

Trade for blood diamonds or coke. I don't discriminate.

[jorb]

in England it seems to be more common for the nobility and commoners to band together against a corrupt Monarch

I know, right? ¦]

Let us not forget how much of the modern poison really did once emanate from that rusting little oil platform off the coast of France, now -- its creative energies even for heresy spent -- slowly sinking into and consigning itself to the oceans. Parliamentarism, regicide, enlightenment, freemasonry, and other various assorted crimes are all proud British traditions. The Rights of Englishmen -- the Rights of Man!

As for the united states, our current government while technically remaining a republic made up of politically independent states has been perverted to the extreme that it is no longer the Republic the founders envisaged.

I know, right? ¦]

I am sorry to break your heart, but your country has been a communist nation since its inception, and you would do well to begin questioning central parts of the symbological history they teach you in High School. American History is a long story of expansion, military aggression, the slow but relentless march of expanding government power, subversion of non-hostile neighboring states (France, for example) and of a constant quest for world government. The Grand Architect forbid that the King should levy a 2% tax on tea -- a clear expression of blackest tyranny -- I, for my part, would much prefer a 25% tax on whiskey, enforced by military action -- pure, distilled, 100 proof freedom and democracy. The ideas of human liberty, equality, popular sovereignty, and the right to rebellion, have always been a dangerous, Messianic teaching with universal ambition, and it cannot ever be anything else. Every wicked seed that bore fruit in the French Revolution was fully present in the American, and you will take care to notice how every modern state professes its adherence to precisely these ideologies. Communism in a word. Americanism in another. The cry of revolution against Kings and l'Ancien Régime raised in the american colonies is the same cry raised in every revolution since, including Bolshevik Soviet Russia -- bought and paid for, incidentally, by American High Finance.



This is a patriotic pamphlet issued by your own CPUSA. "Communism is the Americanism of the 20th century", and they are right! You will notice how the propaganda finds exactly nothing in the symbology of the American Revolution to take issue with, quite in contrast, of course, to the perverse and nigh on rabid hatred displayed by communists everywhere for crowns and crosses. The shots fired at Lexington and Concord really did echo around the world, and they reverberate still.



But, I'm sure, all of this could just be a massive coincidence without real significance. These are just symbols, of course, and far from the human mind would it be to construct its entire understanding of the world precisely in terms of those.

[Trenial]

What I, on my hand, meant, was that liberalism in its various forms, only seemed to have been able to rise with the death of the Christianity that had flourished during those 1500 years.

I highlighted the weight of the statement, hopefully he chews on it for a bit and it sinks in LoW's head. The words "death" and "flourished" are a hint, there is a contrast here.

That's quite accurate, if not entirely. You would probably find more resonance with Jorb in that statement of defeatism. ^^

Come now, defeatism? Do you think they can truly stand against such a great host, in the sight of so many princes? *nvr4get, cryeveryteim*

Thus, them feels. I made only a factual claim. Aside from the quest for truth, and by that I mean truth itself. I know of no other place nor field on which to engage the New Order.

I on my hand tend to think that, while the New World Order appears to be winning or having won on most if not all fronts, there is still tradition left in peoples' minds which I like to try and believe can be resurrected, and that, on a positive note, the NWO cannot actually "win" since its very formulations depends on "stolen ideas" from tradition and that it's too philosophically empty to be able to truly stand on its own. It can only bring about its own ruin in the end. I'm just hoping its ruin comes before the ruination of everything we hold dear.

This:

The engine starts up, it goes for a little while, and like always, it stalls and conks out.

y u mak me feel dis way TT

cuz babbes, dey brohk it, neds fix