'Murica and France

[tack]

i would surgest to you that WWII actualy started on July 7 1937 with the start of the sino-japanese war which continued until the 9 sept 1945.
this one preceded 1 sept 1939 and post dated tokyo bay and was the route cause of dec 7 1941 and the invasion of the dutch indies and british empire.

[Orcling]

i would surgest to you that WWII actualy started on July 7 1937 with the start of the sino-japanese war which continued until the 9 sept 1945.
this one preceded 1 sept 1939 and post dated tokyo bay and was the route cause of dec 7 1941 and the invasion of the dutch indies and british empire.

WWII never started because WWI never ended. Back then it was "The great war". WWII is a fairly new term.

[Trenial]

Hint: "Japanese-Sino War"

World War II

Two different wars, albiet linked, not the same terms to describe the same event in History.

[darnokpl]

According to my logic war victims are after war is started. Part of Czechoslovakia joined germany and UK with France agreed to "sell" it, so it is hard to call it a war victim, more like diplomacy or trade victim.

Good to see that the Goal Posts can be moved, young Padawan. But maybe it would have been better (and more mature) to post: "Oh heck, I did not think about that event. I stand corrected."

I am looking on it like on ukraine, it is hard to say that crimea is victim of russia they didn't fight back didn't try to resist, but other parts of ukraine where we have war right now are victims.

[Voltaire1512]

I am looking on it like on ukraine, it is hard to say that crimea is victim of russia they didn't fight back didn't try to resist, but other parts of ukraine where we have war right now are victims.

How many of the 5.5 million dead Poles did actually fight back and count as victims? 200.000? Maybe. If we are generous. I think it is okay to ignore the rest.

[darnokpl]

I am looking on it like on ukraine, it is hard to say that crimea is victim of russia they didn't fight back didn't try to resist, but other parts of ukraine where we have war right now are victims.

How many of the 5.5 million dead Poles did actually fight back and count as victims? 200.000? Maybe. If we are generous. I think it is okay to ignore the rest.

So you would want women, children, civilians to fight against tanks and airplanes?
Polish army fought back that means Poland was against nazis, now look at countries that joined nazis without fight or didn't fought at all like france.

I'm talking about countries or regions, and what is important to me is the position of the government and the army, are they against aggression or not.
You change the subject to ordinary people and count them as victims.

[Voltaire1512]

Polish army fought back that means Poland was against nazis, now look at countries that joined nazis without fight or didn't fought at all like france.

France did not fight against Germany? Interesting. Did not know that. I mean, surely, they were beaten after 7 weeks, but that`s still 2 weeks more than Poland survived.

I am increasingly worried about the low (or maybe even non-existent) educational standards in Poland.

[darnokpl]

Polish army fought back that means Poland was against nazis, now look at countries that joined nazis without fight or didn't fought at all like france.

France did not fight against Germany? Interesting. Did not know that. I mean, surely, they were beaten after 7 weeks, but that`s still 2 weeks more than Poland survived.

I am increasingly worried about the low (or maybe even non-existent) educational standards in Poland.

Again change of topic, old padawan?

In 1939 France declared war only on paper. France didn't fought against germany right after war started in 1939, they had chances to attack germany "from behind" while hitler was busy in my country.
So no, France didn't fought against nazis they covered their own asses breaking word given to Poland. And since Poland was first country attacked by germany military force I said it was first victim of ww2.
Maybe you are not aware, but hilter picked Poland as first target because he knew Poland would rush him from behind if Germany would attack France or UK.

[Voltaire1512]

Again change of topic, old padawan?

I´d prefer not to, but in each of your posts are so ridiculous false claims, that it boggles ones mind. But probably you are not even to blame but rather the content of blatantly nationalist history books in your country.

Out of curiosity. Do they tell you, that Poland had absolutely no problem to cooperate with Nazi-Germany when it came to destroying Czechoslovakia (which has a way better claim for the "first german victim"-award) in order to obtain a pathetic tiny piece of land?

So please don`t tell me again that Poland was against aggression, young Padawan.

[darnokpl]

Again change of topic, old padawan?

I´d prefer not to, but in each of your posts are so ridiculous false claims, that it boggles ones mind. But probably you are not even to blame but rather the content of blatantly nationalist history books in your country.

Out of curiosity. Do they tell you, that Poland had absolutely no problem to cooperate with Nazi-Germany when it came to destroying Czechoslovakia (which has a way better claim for the "first german victim"-award) in order to obtain a pathetic tiny piece of land?

So please don`t tell me again that Poland was against aggression, young Padawan.

As for

"first german victim"-award

hitler was from austria?

They even tell me that hilter was asking Poland to join him and go against russia, so that small piece of land was probably first step to make alliance, but back then we had smart leaders and they refused.

After WW1 Germany had many limitations for example army size 100.000 soldiers.
You know that in Germany back then training large army, building tanks and airplanes wasn't possible without US, UK and France knowledge and full approval?

Sadly we have no nationalist history books, but I hope in future there will be more Polish nationalism in my country, right now we have more german or russian nationalism and that is bad. History shows that Polish nationalism is good, as long as my country was strong western europe didn't had to fear russia