'Murica and France

[Orcling]

Americans tend to think that they´ve had a great influence on the war, it was the Sovjet Union who did the most of it by far.

Not to mention pretty much all the veterans were on the Ostfront, the Westfront mostly had fresh recruits.

[Dallane]

Your welcome for the freedom Europe!

[Claeyt]

Americans tend to think that they´ve had a great influence on the WW2, it was the Sovjet Union who did the most of it by far.

Not against Japan.

[Trenial]

Americans tend to think that they´ve had a great influence on the WW2, it was the Sovjet Union who did the most of it by far.

Not against Japan.

For once Cleayt was dead accurate. Holy ****. Mark the History Books.

[tack]

japan surendered because the soviet union was steam rolling throught manchuria and korea and made their postion imposible within china where most of her land forces where stationed not because they thought the yanks could invade their home land. the japaniese military high comand thought they could kill so many invaders that the invasion would colapse.

germany was defeated because it was bled white on the eastern front and had nothing left for the west and south most of the static defenders on the normandy front would have been invalided out of western armies.

by the way most of the discovery documentries from the US i have seen are so full of provable errors as to be a joke to militery historians

[Voltaire1512]

japan surendered because the soviet union was steam rolling throught manchuria and korea and made their postion imposible within china where most of her land forces where stationed not because they thought the yanks could invade their home land. the japaniese military high comand thought they could kill so many invaders that the invasion would colapse.

Wow. Just wow. Let`s see, what Hirohito had to say about the issue:

To Our Good and loyal subjects:

After pondering deeply the general trends of the world and the actual conditions obtaining in Our Empire today, We have decided to effect a settlement of the present situation by resorting to an extraordinary measure.

We have ordered Our Government to communicate to the Governments of the United States, Great Britain, China and the Soviet Union that Our Empire accepts the provisions of their Joint Declaration.[1]

To strive for the common prosperity and happiness of all nations as well as the security and well-being of Our subjects is the solemn obligation which has been handed down by Our Imperial Ancestors, and which We lay close to heart. Indeed, We declared war on America and Britain out of Our sincere desire to secure Japan's self-preservation and the stabilization of East Asia, it being far from Our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandisement. But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by every one -- the gallant fighting of military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of Our servants of the State and the devoted service of Our one hundred million people, the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest. Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb,[2] the power of which to do damage is indeed incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization. Such being the case, how are We to save the millions of Our subjects; or to atone Ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Powers.

We cannot but express the deepest sense of regret to Our Allied nations of East Asia, who have consistently cooperated with the Empire towards the emancipation of East Asia. The thought of those officers and men as well as others who have fallen in the fields of battle, those who died at their posts of duty, or those who met with untimely death and all their bereaved families, pains Our heart night and day. The welfare of the wounded and the war-sufferers, and of those who have lost their home and livelihood, are the objects of Our profound solicitude. The hardships and sufferings to which Our nation is to be subjected hereafter will be certainly great. We are keenly aware of the inmost feelings of all ye, Our subjects. However, it is according to the dictate of time and fate that We have resolved to pave the way for grand peace for all the generations to come by enduring the unendurable and suffering what is insufferable.

Having been able to safeguard and maintain the structure of the Imperial State, We are always with ye, Our good and loyal subjects, relying upon your sincerity and integrity. Beware most strictly of any outbursts of emotion which may endanger needless complications, or any fraternal contention and strife which may create confusion, lead ye astray and cause ye to lose the confidence of the world. Let the entire nation continue as one family from generation to generation, ever firm in its faith of the imperishableness of its divine land and mindful of its heavy burden of responsibilities, and the long road before it. Unite your total strength to be devoted to the construction for the future. Cultivate the ways of rectitudes; foster nobility of spirit; and work with resolution so as ye may enhance the innate glory of the Imperial State and keep place which the progress of the world.

I love the "not necessarily" part. And yes, Japan did finally surrender because the USA dropped the bomb. Add to that, that many other cities had been bombed to pieces already and the Imperial Navy was destroyed over the last years. The situation in Manchuria was surely another nail in the coffin, but the dirty work was done by the USA and its Allies.

[Snowpig]

Should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

Just...wow

[tack]

so you think two silly little bombs caused the surrender

i apologise im not at my libary of primary source material so need to work from wiki figures that are roughly close

hiroshima 90000 - 140000 dead
nagasaki 70000 - 90000 dead
9th march fire storm 125000 + dead

invasion of manchuria
674000 military casulties
254000 civilian casulties
complete inability to stop russians

which do you think was the underlying cause of surrender as opposed to the nice we cant fight against the new bomb get out of jail card to save face announcment.

[Voltaire1512]

so you think two silly little bombs caused the surrender

Again Hirohito

But now the war has lasted for nearly four years

That speech was held on 15th August 1945, so when he talks about the war, that lasted for nearly four years, he is obviously talking about the one with the USA that Japan started on 7th December 1941, not the one with the Soviet Union, since the SU began its attack on 8th August 1945, so two days after the first bomb and one week prior to aforementioned speech.

The two bombs were the last of a long series of defeats. The US Forces were already knocking at the front door and it was time to realize, that the war was over. That the SU was jumping on the bandwagon when the war was almost over surely convinced the Japanese even more but, as Hirohito said, it was the unfortunate development of the four years of war that led to the surrender.

[Hose]

Fite me Cheena, 1v1 in germany and get rekt again