So let me get this straight...

[Mereni]

Again, the worst part about all of this is that they were fine with signing the treaty to stay safe and then they were attacked anyways. You guys in the tribe have to at least offer new players the option of joining the treaty before you just start killing them. What the hell's the point of not at least giving them a chance to sign.

You are purposely misunderstanding here. It doesn't matter that they were 'fine' about signing the treaty. They have to actually sign it. That means talking to PmP, getting added to the list, and kinning all the tribe so we know you're a treaty member.

I'm all for giving newbies the option instead of murdering them straight off, but I'm very soft-hearted that way. This is an open pvp game, remember, and we don't have to have the treaty at all. The actual mechanics of the game allow for just going around murdering anyone and everyone as much as you want. Newbies will see the treaty on the forums and join if they're smart. Or they won't and they'll die. Either way, the tribe braves are under no obligation whatsoever to baby anyone if they don't want to.

[Claeyt]

Again, the worst part about all of this is that they were fine with signing the treaty to stay safe and then they were attacked anyways. You guys in the tribe have to at least offer new players the option of joining the treaty before you just start killing them. What the hell's the point of not at least giving them a chance to sign.

You are purposely misunderstanding here. It doesn't matter that they were 'fine' about signing the treaty. They have to actually sign it. That means talking to PmP, getting added to the list, and kinning all the tribe so we know you're a treaty member.

I'm all for giving newbies the option instead of murdering them straight off, but I'm very soft-hearted that way. This is an open pvp game, remember, and we don't have to have the treaty at all. The actual mechanics of the game allow for just going around murdering anyone and everyone as much as you want. Newbies will see the treaty on the forums and join if they're smart. Or they won't and they'll die. Either way, the tribe braves are under no obligation whatsoever to baby anyone if they don't want to.

None of this is about the mechanics of the game. It's about you guys being the largest group in a game that's dying and you guys helping it to stay alive. That's really all it's about.

I don't know how many times I've said this but if you just kill people who haven't even heard about the treaty then the game shrinks. Nobody fully checks out the forums of a game they are just checking out for the first time.

You guys are under no obligation to do anything whatsoever but if you don't change then the game will die, your choice. You can either choose to tone it down and go a little easier on noobs exploring the game or you can choose to continue to chase them from the game until we end up like Plymouth with less and less people until nobody plays it anymore..

[neored9]

If killing noobs will make you stop playing then so be it

[Mereni]

None of this is about the mechanics of the game. It's about you guys being the largest group in a game that's dying and you guys helping it to stay alive. That's really all it's about.

I don't know how many times I've said this but if you just kill people who haven't even heard about the treaty then the game shrinks. Nobody fully checks out the forums of a game they are just checking out for the first time.

You guys are under no obligation to do anything whatsoever but if you don't change then the game will die, your choice. You can either choose to tone it down and go a little easier on noobs exploring the game or you can choose to continue to chase them from the game until we end up like Plymouth with less and less people until nobody plays it anymore..

It is not my, nor anyone else in the Tribe's responsibility to make this game do well. It is only our responsibility to have fun playing the game. Now, if it ever, in any way, becomes my responsibility to make sure the game does well, you'll see me campaigning to do so. That's why I used to try to talk to the devs about the game, because I thought we were all supposed to be beta testers giving feed back and trying to improve the game, but that was my misconception.

The tribe changing to be the Nancys you seem to want will do nothing to improve the game or make it any more popular. The only result of that will be some other faction having an easy time of growing large enough to supplant us and then kill anyone and everyone, probably without even the marginal concession to carebears of the treaty.

You want to make a change to the political landscape of the game, and prove you are right? Then stop just ***** around on the forums blaming everyone else for this game's woes and get off your ass and do it.

[Claeyt]

You want to make a change to the political landscape of the game, and prove you are right? Then stop just ***** around on the forums blaming everyone else for this game's woes and get off your ass and do it.

Do what exactly? Attack the tribe? I've helped more new players than any other person in this game, ever. I don't blame everyone else for killing noobs because they generally don't do it. Only you guys post and brag about killing completely new players. Only you guys are the one's hurting the population of the game right now.

It is not my, nor anyone else in the Tribe's responsibility to make this game do well. It is only our responsibility to have fun playing the game. Now, if it ever, in any way, becomes my responsibility to make sure the game does well, you'll see me campaigning to do so. That's why I used to try to talk to the devs about the game, because I thought we were all supposed to be beta testers giving feed back and trying to improve the game, but that was my misconception.

The tribe changing to be the Nancys you seem to want will do nothing to improve the game or make it any more popular. The only result of that will be some other faction having an easy time of growing large enough to supplant us and then kill anyone and everyone, probably without even the marginal concession to carebears of the treaty.

It's absolutely all of our responsibilities to help the game. That's how small indi games like this grow. There's no ad budget. There's no game publisher now. It's just us and the dev's. The dev's are responsible for making the game and improving the game and they're failing at that. Don't get me wrong, I agree that that's the main problem, but in small indi games like this, a dedicated player base that enthusiastically helps new players is what makes a game succeed or die. Wouldn't you rather dominate a game with 10,000 players instead of a game with 100 players.

So...yes, it's absolutely up to you and the tribe to help this game. It's necessary for you guys to recognize that this guy brought hundreds of viewers to Salem today and if he had made a series of it he could have brought over 10,000 viewers to the game through his YouTube videos like his other "Let's Play" series. This is how indi games succeed. By attracting exactly this sort of mid level streamer looking for something different to play that no other streamer is playing. this game needs the tribe to not kill noobs and to protect this guy's stream if he does come back. If you don't, then the game dies.

[Frakked]

So, I was part of a stream of this game, with probably a couple dozen people at peak with over 100 people watching. We made a nice little camp over several hours; plenty of storage, leveling up skills, even started stuff like farmland and the like. Its getting late, so the streamer, and most of the people, slowly trickle out. I do a bit more scavenging for things, bring it back to the three or so people still at the base, then log out. No sooner than about 20 minutes after a message on the streamers forum pops up, and apparently some person thought it was a good idea to kill the people still around and destroy...well, more or less everything.

From reading the forums this is what I'm getting out of this; There is some silly 'treaty' thing going on that is more like a protection ring, where the people who are part of it kill people who are not? New people who hardly have any idea of what they are doing? If you really like the game so much that you get this much into it, tell me, what is the purpose of outright KILLING people who are still trying to figure out what to do, besides chase them away? Its like you want your favorite game to fail or something. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourselves, but I don't think it would affect you as...well, you're going along with this silly thing in the first place!

I'm not even sure how many of the couple dozen we had playing will even want to try now, knowing that there is something as toxic as that in the game. A possible influx of people crushed by some dumb, abusive 'treaty' that forces you to be with it or against it before you even know how to fight a cricket, let alone a high level player.

Those of us that are out of reach- have provoked you who are for death.

The truly weak minded Tribe who are shallow, duplicitous, and mad- opted to kill you b/c they were unwilling to risk a real fight about an established base. (They knew that current mechanics would kill them if they actually found against someone who could challenge them). That why that wiped you out. You were little minnows who to real fight available to you. They really needed to feel good about themselves... killing you was all the option they had.

Feel good- that you provided to ***** Tribe as chance at joy and satisfaction... they can get nothing else in game at the moment.

Sorry- glad I'm not you.

[Mereni]

It's absolutely all of our responsibilities to help the game. That's how small indi games like this grow. There's no ad budget. There's no game publisher now. It's just us and the dev's. The dev's are responsible for making the game and improving the game and they're failing at that. Don't get me wrong, I agree that that's the main problem, but in small indi games like this, a dedicated player base that enthusiastically helps new players is what makes a game succeed or die. Wouldn't you rather dominate a game with 10,000 players instead of a game with 100 players.

So...yes, it's absolutely up to you and the tribe to help this game. It's necessary for you guys to recognize that this guy brought hundreds of viewers to Salem today and if he had made a series of it he could have brought over 10,000 viewers to the game through his YouTube videos like his other "Let's Play" series. This is how indi games succeed. By attracting exactly this sort of mid level streamer looking for something different to play that no other streamer is playing. this game needs the tribe to not kill noobs and to protect this guy's stream if he does come back. If you don't, then the game dies.

Hundreds of viewers? The number seems to get bigger every time you tell it. While I agree that getting streamers to bring people to the game would be a good move when the game is fit to play, advertisement now will not help Salem, and might even spread the reputation of suckiness this game should have right now. As of now, those people came in, had a bad experience immediately, didn't have time to realize that once you have all your skills and 50 or so humors, there's a dearth of content, and maybe not only quit, but bad mouth Salem to their friends as a crappy, unfinished game with no content. As it is, they might one day come back if another streamer live plays Salem. Hopefully by then, the game will have improved.

Now, in the future, when it's worth trying to get people to come here (optimist that I am, I believe it will happen), you can be sure the Tribe will be more serious about it. For now, the Treaty is all the encouragement we feel we need to give anyone.

[Claeyt]

Hundreds of viewers? The number seems to get bigger every time you tell it. While I agree that getting streamers to bring people to the game would be a good move when the game is fit to play, advertisement now will not help Salem, and might even spread the reputation of suckiness this game should have right now. As of now, those people came in, had a bad experience immediately, didn't have time to realize that once you have all your skills and 50 or so humors, there's a dearth of content, and maybe not only quit, but bad mouth Salem to their friends as a crappy, unfinished game with no content. As it is, they might one day come back if another streamer live plays Salem. Hopefully by then, the game will have improved.

Now, in the future, when it's worth trying to get people to come here (optimist that I am, I believe it will happen), you can be sure the Tribe will be more serious about it. For now, the Treaty is all the encouragement we feel we need to give anyone.

No advertisement, now, will simply kill Salem. It will be gone.

There is content and some of us like playing it. I'm sick of people ***** about the content. There could be more and the mechanics could be better but without players there will be no more content. We've reached a point where we either get people playing or the game goes away. If you think the game sucks, then leave, but that's no reason to ruin it's future by killing all new players just trying it out.

The live twitch stream reached over 200 when I was watching it. The past broadcast saved video of his Salem stream on his channel already has 146 views as I write this. You can just check out his Twitch channel past broadcasts to see that number. That means that over 300 people have already watched some or part of it. So yes, hundreds of people have seen it. His YouTube channel videos average 10,000 views if we're lucky enough to get on there.

This guy has promoted several indi games exactly like the situation Salem is in. He's promoted the games "Craft the World" and "Factorio" both of them are FtP indi games very similar to Salem. The only difference is that Salem isn't on Steam.

[Achilles473]

Well this treaty is just utter bs its too hostile for newer players, not attractive at all since it contains too much effort (would be simpler if you could drop a pm and then the tribe can add the new members) 1 click > adding a full tribe.
And yes it was sucky getting killed not once but twice (wich is a violation of the treaty itself since it states that you will do it once as a primary warning ... not stalk the camp just for some puny scalps of 5/5/5/5 newcommers).

And that is why people get pissed with the treaty, okay you may rp a little setup a mayor faction to dominate the map with... but then atleast have the tought of setting up a treaty thats actually positive instead of "1sth time here? havent read the forums? tha noob i'll just wipe everything off the board just because you haven't sucked up to my leader(wich is a sad excuse don't you have enough brainpower to be a emmisary?)"

Want the game to progress? Help the devs improve it? Then give newcommers a chance instead of stalking them to death multiple times just because your leader isn't online. Because ***** about a game being sucky and not doing even the smallest effort in making it better is just being hypocritic.

Anyways thanks for the lesson ^^ i'll remember it, since it made me very anti-treaty.

[Mereni]

it contains too much effort (would be simpler if you could drop a pm and then the tribe can add the new members) 1 click > adding a full tribe.

Except, it IS that easy. It's absolutely as easy as we can make it. You send a PM, with info on where your claim is so we know not to raid it. We send you a PM with all the HS you need to add to kin the tribe. Done.