So let me get this straight...

[vienradzis]

So...what you're saying is, its the fault of the person who decided to show this little known and little played game to other people, and not the fault of the people who ruined the experience for the fact that they can? I just want to make sure you got your logic straight.

Yep. Because permadeath and open pvp are part of the game, and he didn't even see fit to warn them. But then, neither did Claeyt.

'Hostility' has nothing to do with it.

Learn your lesson on move on to a new game.

Hostility had absolutely everything to do with it. The tribe gained nothing from their deaths. They didn't need anything they had, they were never threatened by them. They had absolutely no reason to raid and kill them except for the cheap thrill of killing a 5/5/5/5 noob.

That's exactly what they'll do. They'll move on to another game and Salem dies.

At what point does it become clear to you guys in the tribe like it's become clear to us that unless we veteran players HELP new players, this game dies. When are you guys going to realize that. Honestly I'm hoping this is the point. This game doesn't have many more chances like this.

You guys could have at least given them a chance to say yes or no to the treaty and actually explained what was going on. Instead your idiots just killed them all and wiped their base for no reason.

I like how you completely mangled my words to change the meaning.

Anyway, why didn't you help them? You still haven't said. You were even on the stream, were you not?

Either way, the game won't die because a few newbies get killed. It'll die because the mechanics suck, and until they stop sucking, the pop will remain low. And if they do stop sucking, the pop will increase again. Death will probably decrease as well since there will be better things to do than kill newbies.

Merene there is nothing possible better than bringing justice.

[DirtyOldHobo]

Actually, he did warn us, but as I mentioned before until now he hadn't found anybody who was actually hostile, so how was he to know that this was going to happen? And no, 'doing your research' is not the answer. He played the game, found nice people, thought there would be a nice community too. So yes, he was blinded. Perhaps it would have been easier on everyone if he had just been taken down on day one by a Tribesman.

But no, here we are, arguing over why it was a dumb idea to take down one of the few attempts to get more people into this game.

P.S. You still haven't answered my question of why do you play this game if there is nothing better to do than kill new people.

[neored9]

Actually, he did warn us, but as I mentioned before until now he hadn't found anybody who was actually hostile, so how was he to know that this was going to happen? And no, 'doing your research' is not the answer. He played the game, found nice people, thought there would be a nice community too. So yes, he was blinded. Perhaps it would have been easier on everyone if he had just been taken down on day one by a Tribesman.

But no, here we are, arguing over why it was a dumb idea to take down one of the few attempts to get more people into this game.

P.S. You still haven't answered my question of why do you play this game if there is nothing better to do than kill new people.

So you ignored the warning, refused to learn anything about the game and now feel you've been treated unfairly? Are you by chance black or an elementary school drop out?

[Mereni]

P.S. You still haven't answered my question of why do you play this game if there is nothing better to do than kill new people.

Optimism that the mechanics will improve, and because my friends are still here.

[DirtyOldHobo]

Actually, he did warn us, but as I mentioned before until now he hadn't found anybody who was actually hostile, so how was he to know that this was going to happen? And no, 'doing your research' is not the answer. He played the game, found nice people, thought there would be a nice community too. So yes, he was blinded. Perhaps it would have been easier on everyone if he had just been taken down on day one by a Tribesman.

But no, here we are, arguing over why it was a dumb idea to take down one of the few attempts to get more people into this game.

P.S. You still haven't answered my question of why do you play this game if there is nothing better to do than kill new people.

So you ignored the warning, refused to learn anything about the game and now feel you've been treated unfairly? Are you by chance black or an elementary school drop out?

I...wow...what a punch there. Now I know what kind of person I'm speaking to.

As you obviously fail to understand; the warning was that the game was permadeath because, as I've mentioned numerous times, he didn't meet anybody from Tribe so he didn't know of their existence. I highly doubt that he would have tried to stream it at all if he had known. And we were learning the game. Until the base got destroyed.

As for you Mereni, I can't really say anything against that, but still then, what do your friends play for? If they play for killing new people, well, then thats just perpetuating the cycle.

[neored9]

As you obviously fail to understand;

No, you only hear what you want.

[martinuzz]

Early, yet clear signs of claeygue infection

[Tammer]

Sorry, but we didn't quite expect such a hostile environment when we entered, especially when Aavak(the streamer) said that so far in his couple days he had in Salem prior to the stream he only met nice people.

There are those of us play peacefully instead of hunting new players and flexing our muscles on the forums. With some precautions you can play without having to worry too much about hostile players. Setting up a public camp just outside of Boston is doomed, though, since it is so easy for an established griefer to wipe you out.

If you want to keep playing, I suggest you contact one of the friends Aavak made, or one of the sympathetic sounding people on the forum. Someone could use an explorer character to port you and your friends far out into the wilderness where you're unlikely to be found.

[Claeyt]

Anyway, why didn't you help them? You still haven't said. You were even on the stream, were you not?

I did help them, I helped them a lot. You didn't see the stream but I was talking with them for a long time. I gave them some stuff. What do you mean by help? Do you mean me racing out to fight Mikus and whoever else was in the tribe attacking them. Why the hell would I do that.

I gave them advice. I warned them about the treaty. He knew about it and had talked to some tribe guy at the beginning and he was willing to sign. I thought they were safe because of that. I told them he needed to focus on getting a claim up and getting walls up with a defense. I told him that they should probably move deeper into the map somewhere. They were doing all of these things when they were attacked.

Either way, the game won't die because a few newbies get killed. It'll die because the mechanics suck, and until they stop sucking, the pop will remain low. And if they do stop sucking, the pop will increase again. Death will probably decrease as well since there will be better things to do than kill newbies.

The game will absolutely die because a constant stream of noobies get killed by the tribe over months and years. Yes, it will mostly die because of the dev's and the mechanics but don't kid yourself, this streamer had 10,000+ YouTube subscribers. Mikus's actions hurt the game for no reason and at it's lowest population ever.

This game is done if the Dev's don't fix the mechanics, add new content and if the tribe and veteran players don't help the game grow and help new players learn the game.

Again, the worst part about all of this is that they were fine with signing the treaty to stay safe and then they were attacked anyways. You guys in the tribe have to at least offer new players the option of joining the treaty before you just start killing them. What the hell's the point of not at least giving them a chance to sign.

[neored9]

Why the hell would I do that.

So you wanted to help them and sea that game prosper, but not really.

I have to give it to you, if dozens of people told me to shut up and called me retarded every time I said something I'd stop talking or really think about what I was saying. But you, you can get past all of that and keep going in spite of all that.