Thrive movement

[Jalpha]

Okay the PMH seems to be nothing more than a highly inefficient battery, with a long shelf life. It's applications are limited. If it works it has nothing at all to do with perpetual motion, that's obviously a catchphrase as part of a publicity stunt, or just born of ignorance.

Magnetic dipoles are not perpetual motion. They just flow like that naturally, and any effort to harness the flow will result in entropy or whatever, I'm not a hardcore physicsfag. If I understand how it works, basically electricity is converted to magnetism, which is kindof possible I guess given my limited understanding of EM. It doesn't create, or harvest any energy from what I can see.

What Thrive is talking about is probably more along the lines of the Unipolar Dynamo. I need to sit down sometime when I'm less tired and have a proper look at that one, so I can't comment on it one way or another for now.

I do have a question for you though. If free energy was released tomorrow, and everyone had one of these in their backyard... What do you seriously think the consequences would be?

Edit: Added after your edit, and a lot of this and more was in the post the forums disappeared qq.

[Syndarn]

Okay the PMH seems to be nothing more than a highly inefficient battery, with a long shelf life. It's applications are limited. If it works it has nothing at all to do with perpetual motion, that's obviously a catchphrase as part of a publicity stunt, or just born of ignorance.

Well the PMH itself is pretty useless atleast the one that they demonstrate with, but im fairly sure it could be worked upon to get a stronger effect and combine it with something else. I never claimed it would create any energy and it probably doesn't. My intention was just to try to prove the continuous motion in it.

Anyways, Leedskalnin himself was born 1887 according to wiki and probably invented his PMH at around 1910-1920. So it's old, just not very known. He also wrote a book about magnetism, wich i bought and i am still reading, it's quite intresting. And there is alot of unanswered questions in how he built his coral castle.

Question for you: How is it not perpetual motion? or should i say perpetual flow of energy. Aren't those basically the same things? One could also claim that the earths orbit around the sun is perpetual motion.

I do have a question for you though. If free energy was released tomorrow, and everyone had one of these in their backyard... What do you seriously think the consequences would be?.

Well there would for sure be great panic and hysteria in the oil companies. But that aside. I don't really know for sure. Alot of jobs would be eventually lost, and stock market would get turbulent, it would also create more jobs to install and plan the new systems. Even if theese devices would just appear and everyone had one, most people wouldn't know how to use them or connect them. Change would happen slowly when society adapts to a new system, it would require alot of infrastructural change. It would be pretty chaotic i think, but that's always what happens when there is times of change.

New systems always get implement gradually and spread outwards slowly when they also get better and more efficient when science behind it gets more polished and understood.
Im not afraid that it would get misused, since there is plenty of room for misuse in our current society already if one would want to do it.

accusations

thrive and many others are the ones that spread the vision of a better future. They don't necesary have all the answers, nor do i. But they are trying their best to get people to think differently, they are pointing out the faults in our current society. You just don't spawn products and lifestyles infront of you, you need an idea first and then you develop it and it grows and hopefully sees the light of day.

You are still denying everything i say or most of what's said in the movie. You didn't point out any specific faults. You are saying the facts are not there. Wich of the facts are missing if i may ask? the only thing you have said is that because david icke was in the movie and in your logic, according to what you wrote, then the whole rest of movie is a fraud and bs. Let's put david icke in the cnn news to say hello, then that defaults the whole show and the rest of the news as bs lies and crazy. Well done. You claim to be logical, now prove it and represent your facts that nullify my facts.

[Snowpig]

Question for you: How is it not perpetual motion? or should i say perpetual flow of energy. Aren't those basically the same things? One could also claim that the earths orbit around the sun is perpetual motion.

Earths orbit around sun is not perpetual. The rotation speed is constantly decreasing. The amounts are very small, therefore a human would say that - for his lifespan - the movement might look like perpetual - but on a larger scale it certainly isn't.

Further: Anything which harnesses directly or indirectly the energy coming from the sun (earth magnetic field!), might look "perpetual", but in effect works only a long as there is a sun. (Ok, I admit we will have it for a looong time to come )

Therefore any "physicsfag" who will hear the word "perpetual" in a scientific/engineering concept will do immediately two things:
- LOL hard
- Do not take it serious (for obvious reasons)

[Tamasin]

i'm too lazy to research the topic i'm promoting. please do it for me, since you say it's retarded.

nope, i'd rather just sit here and laugh at you. I'll occassionally make the effort to spell some things out for someone i care about if they start taking some dumb **** like this seriously because i don't want them to make fools of themselves, but generally i think people doing this should just be told to develop some critical thinking and research skills and sent on their way. if you don't have those, there's no value in helping you understand one particular detail or another, because it's going nowhere.

my main concern about bad videos like thrive, really, is that it takes advantage of stupid people who may be interested in the welfare of humanity and our planet, and sets them down a bad path. like a path where they're getting excited about retarded perpetual motion **** and paying actual attention when conspiritards like icke and greer are talking.


Further, it's clear exactly who is really behind these videos and such: the NWO! it's all a part of their plan to make sure that common folk who might take an interest in things they don't want (like a better world) are instead swept into the realm of tin foil hats, to be mocked, and ridiculed so that they can never contribute to anything worthwhile. Dude, you need to look up the work of some real lightworkers so that you can learn that we don't need this thrive ****, as long as we keep raising our vibrations the pleiadians will soon be here and they shall provide us with their free energy devices and everything else we need to overthrow the reptilians

[Syndarn]

Earths orbit around sun is not perpetual. The rotation speed is constantly decreasing. The amounts are very small, therefore a human would say that - for his lifespan - the movement might look like perpetual - but on a larger scale it certainly isn't.

Was actually gonna edit that part and add "almost" to the sentence. It's either decreasing or increasing depending on the forces at work. Abit like our moon moving abit further away every year.
Also the expansion of space has a factor in this. The question was mostly directed to Jalpha, but i appriciate all feedback

Perpetual or not, I guess in the end orbits are quite efficient energitically speaking, so if we can use that and mimic it on a small scale, maybe some good can come out of it.
Maybe the pmh has some credit, or then it doesn't. Time will tell.

nope, i'd rather just sit here and laugh at you.

Laugh away if it makes you happy.

I'll occassionally make the effort to spell some things out for someone i care about if they start taking some dumb **** like this seriously because i don't want them to make fools of themselves, but generally i think people doing this should just be told to develop some critical thinking and research skills and sent on their way. if you don't have those, there's no value in helping you understand one particular detail or another, because it's going nowhere.

I don't really understand what you think is so bad in what the movie says.
Are you implying i should do and believe exactly the opposite what the movie is saying? and tell myself everything is ok over and over, until i believe it, and live happily ever after?

[Potjeh]

Inertia != energy

[Syndarn]

Inertia != energy

tru.dat

[Tamasin]

I don't really understand what you think is so bad in what the movie says.
Are you implying i should do and believe exactly the opposite what the movie is saying? and tell myself everything is ok over and over, until i believe it, and live happily ever after?

not at all implying that, and i certainly don't think things are ok either. i'm telling you the most you should take away from that video is the general acknowledgement that things are messed up, but that we can and should try to work together to make them better. i don't think you needed that video to tell you those things though, did you? and you can pretty much just throw out all the rest. like a lot of people, i've worried about the state of the world and the future, and i understand the desire to see answers to the difficult problem of how to fix things. it would be so nice if there was some video out there that could just give us them. one movement that we could just follow and promote that would solve pretty much everything. but there is not, it isn't that easy.

i'll say again one of the things that i think would really help would be for people to be better informed, understand at least basic science a bit more and learn to do some ***** research into topics they want to talk about.

[Syndarn]

i'll say again one of the things that i think would really help would be for people to be better informed, understand at least basic science a bit more and learn to do some ***** research into topics they want to talk about.

Well the video is informative. And i do hope that the claims of NWO are a exaggeration, but im not as naive that i would totally dismiss it, that would be foolish, it's a serious accusation afterall, i would certainly keep an eye on the development. There is definately something going on. It's not that i worship the thrive movement or are a member of it, their message is intresting and alarming. Many things that they say make alot of sense to me and since there is not really any better explanation why things are as they are so im inclined to lean towards this abit, but ofc course not taking it totally for granted. Always with a pinch of salt, and a open mind.

Source energy/zero point energy it has many names, it does exist. I think we can all agree that much. So if it exist and is abundant around us, the idea of tapping into it is not delusional. It's more of a challenge. Certainly there are other wonderfull ways in generating energy for humanity. Im more of a idealist so that's why im kinda stubborn in this subject. I can't really feel good, in putting time and effort into something that will end up second best. It's just not my thing. All or nothing.

I see that you are informed and aware, just much more skeptical than me, when the proof is thin and claims outrageous. Can't judge you for that, it's a quite healthy way of thinking.
Im more crazy, im not throwing away logic, im trying more of a trial and error approach when math aint working, maybe i will discover something, who knows. Then one can understand or theorize how it logically works and prove it mathematically so you and Jalpha can accept it. We need leaps of faith sometimes to get a better understanding, so we can advance further. Don't you agree?

[Tamasin]

I see that you are informed and aware, just much more skeptical than me, when the proof is thin and claims outrageous. Can't judge you for that, it's a quite healthy way of thinking.
Im more crazy, im not throwing away logic, im trying more of a trial and error approach when math aint working, maybe i will discover something, who knows. Then one can understand or theorize how it logically works and prove it mathematically so you and Jalpha can accept it. We need leaps of faith sometimes to get a better understanding, so we can advance further. Don't you agree?

We do need leaps of faith sometimes, i suppose. But you know, if you want to discover something, the thing that improves your chances the most (not to mention avoiding wasted time) is having a thorough understanding of the relevant stuff underpinning your efforts and working on a logical basis. And of course, if you want to communicate your findings with others and be taken seriously, you're going to need to know what you're talking about.