Jorb where are you?!

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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Jalpha » Wed May 07, 2014 5:10 am

There just isn't anything to do except wait for gluttony timers at the moment. The alchemy system is broken, and grinding purity was my reason to log in every day before crop purities were nerfed. I can't imagine a rollback to the old system ever happening which means waiting on a functional alchemy system. That won't happen in the foreseeable future so where does that leave us...
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Judaism » Wed May 07, 2014 6:20 am

Jalpha wrote:There just isn't anything to do except wait for gluttony timers at the moment. The alchemy system is broken, and grinding purity was my reason to log in every day before crop purities were nerfed. I can't imagine a rollback to the old system ever happening which means waiting on a functional alchemy system. That won't happen in the foreseeable future so where does that leave us...


Thats exactly why we are asking for a rollback, and then they never have to touch Salem again.
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Potjeh » Wed May 07, 2014 6:40 am

I wouldn't call gluttony a complete failure, the food diversity system is a big improvement. I'm sure it could be tweaked to work alright without the timers. Not that removing timers would salvage the game, it was in a pretty bad shape even before them.
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Frakked » Wed May 07, 2014 6:58 am

HouseLaLaurie wrote:I really appreciate the fact that the developers have kept the game available for everyone, even with the changing circumstances, limited return, and constant ***** from us sheep. When you consider the fact that they could just scrap the entire endeavor at any moment they so choose, it kind of makes you appreciate the game for what it is.


I do appreciate the game- I wouldn't complain if I thought it a dead end. I would just do what seemingly 250+ others have... quietly log out and never in again.

Not exactly why I created this thread; but it sure gives perspective. At the end of the day- I wish Jorb had closed down the game. Better to wait for something better on the horizon than grow more vitriol and bad word of mouth advertising that this is doing.

You think I'm going to give Haven and Hearth time of day? Or recommend it to others?

And someday long down the road when Jorb revisits Salem... will I be back?

We all saw a significant resurgence in game-play after the wipe. Population was pushing 400 for a little while... but that magic is gone. Olf players giving Jorb/Loftar a second chance to deliver and others joining in the fun... alas.

Anyway- Thanks Jorb for the tease of a better game; but when I finally leave Salem... I don't see giving you another chance in my foreseeable future.

Not with other Crowd-funding games coming out in the next 12 months, etc. Dev Teams that are committed to earning MY time and patronage. You don't seem to want it.

You've got until the majority of what's left leave... to change the flow. Active players can maybe convince others to return; but if you wait until only a handful are left...

Two cents

PS- just checked forum status... 40 players... a new low for the new server. That sure was a great investment!
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby jorb » Wed May 07, 2014 12:02 pm

Why do you talk as if the non-performance of our latest implementations is somehow a sign of grave moral turpitude on our part, Frakked? I would love your time and patronage, but apparently this product cannot presently earn it. What do you want me to do? Beg? Don't insult me, and don't suggest strategies that aren't going to work anyway.

A game like this is a big ship. Turning it around requires a lot of work. We have tried to, but we cannot keep trying unsuccessfully forever. The solution to the problems this game has is not -- in my opinion -- to go back to some previous implementation that we didn't like either, but to go back to the drawing board and try again. We do not at this junction have the time to do that, which is why I feel compelled to defer it to the future.

Do you honestly believe that whatever disappointment you might feel exists on an order of magnitude that is even remotely close to my own?
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Procne » Wed May 07, 2014 12:14 pm

Am I really the only one who liked the last update?
Although I can see it might not fit the hardcore pvp setting that well.
I never liked the pvp aspect anyway and just enjoyed the new mechanics / content
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Jalpha » Wed May 07, 2014 1:20 pm

No Procne, I think a lot of the latest patch contents are good things. It's just unfortunate that those changes weren't backed up and supported by other changes.

I'm sure it will happen in time.
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Dallane » Wed May 07, 2014 1:50 pm

Was def a step in the right direction. Just not enough updates to tweak and support
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby lachlaan » Wed May 07, 2014 2:15 pm

I personally liked the changes so far, and am fine with waiting for things to improve at whatever rate the devs can do that. As for most of the complaints I hear about the current system versus the old, it seems it's either a matter of pure preference for which type of grind you want to put in, or a matter of liking the number 100% on your crop's purity, or a complaint about certain still not perfected mechanics in terms of raidings, or bugs.

The grind type preference is possible the trickiest to get right, since you can't both allow for a simplistic and repetitive system where you replant best seeds till you've hit the sweet spot, and also allow for a more complex system like i enjoy, which is the current alch system. So it'll be interesting to see which version of the purity grind Hafen or Salem's future rebirth will end up with, even if I'm rooting for a system similar to the current one :D

The big shiny 100%ish numbers preference seems like an easy request to fulfill (in terms of technical possibility to make it happen, rather than time taken to implement, which i understand would still be a good while), regardless of which purity grind system is kept. If ever the old system is re-implemented, just nerf foods so that a 100% food item will still maintain the rate of humour increase at a speed that means a 2 day alt won't wreck walls instantly. With the new purity grind system, alchemy and what have you, just give more weight to cuttings and seeds than you do to humus and pot etc, to allow for a very near 100% result at the high end of the grind. In the end how shiny the number is doesn't really have to influence how far along you've advanced in the raiding scene, the values can be tweaked so that you get a shiny number that puts you right at the same progress you were before.

The raiding and pvp mechanic glitches, bugs, shortcomings I feel should be fixed on their own rather than rashly suggesting we revert to other incomplete mechanics from the past. It'd be easier to point at what's broken and ask for a fix than it is to ask for a revert. I do understand why people do it though, since a fix doesn't seem likely any time soon, and people are going to be left with a system with shortcomings either way, with or without a revert. But a revert would just bring all the progress made so far down, so perhaps people could swallow their angst and let the devs pick up some momentum and morale again, and eventually help Salem advance rather than regress.

TL;DR I like the game in its current state, I can only hope we'll be seeing more fixed and progress made, but if that's impossible I'd rather we have a stump that we can build on later than cut it back to the even shorter size it was before, metaphorically speaking. Good job so far Jorb and Loftar :) Don't be so down about this, gamers gonna whine all the time, and even if it might be legitimate whining, it's a matter of fact that negative feedback always seeks attention, whereas people that like the game rarely take the time to specifically praise you for it. Just don't lose your zen or your hope and eventually we'll see a good version of either Hafen or Salem, or hopefully both :)
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Re: Jorb where are you?!

Postby Scilly_guy » Wed May 07, 2014 2:27 pm

The latest up date has got me playing more than I used to, so thank you Jorb and Loftar, sure not all things are right yet, and you aren't going to be fixing them any time soon, and you often add more bugs before fixing old ones, but you aren't the only dev team to do that. What would be interesting to see from you guys is some sort of road map/design document for your plans for Salem and Haven, for instance, even just a quick list saying "fields and tiers like Salem but quality like Haven". But I know that even you guys aren't sure about all that sort of thing yet and you won't tell us because it may change and you don't want another excuse for people to rage at you.
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