Are neuters allowed in the ladies' room?

[Inotdead]

Turns out the law doesn't take kindly to showing it to them on the street.

May be we should organize a festival about it or a parade? May be if we declare it as a cultural or a religious thing we may enforce people to tolerate us showing ***** to them? Should be okay as long as we are the minority, because we are oh-so-oppressed, right?

[Cheena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0oH880LnWs

wonder if there's something similar for guys...

[Kaios]

Most Internet Forum Rulebooks include not posting racist or homophobic ***** all over them.

This one doesn't because the Dev's like enabling racist idiots like Darwoth in the the name of free speech. What they don't realize is that like society, internet forums only really work if simple decency standards exist so that people feel like they can be part of the group here without having to listen to racist and homophobic *****.. Darwoth's ongoing putrid bile drives players away from these forums and he'd have been perma-banned on any other game forum long ago.

K?

Did you forget I was talking about you asking Darwoth to reveal his personal information? What you answered wasn't related to what I said at all. Clearly when I said "internet rulebook" I was not referring to something that is real, it would seem you missed the point. Saying someone should have the balls to reveal their name/location/etc. due to what they are saying is just your opinion.

[Claeyt]

The natural order of life for gender-based species is that adult things mate other adult things of the same species and the opposite gender. Anything else is deviant, whatever the initial reason might be.
Also I don't think, that ****phobia is genetic.

of course I meant Homosexuality there.

Procreation is only part of what marriage is about. To say it's just to make babies throws out human consciousness and the idea of love. We moved past the idea of marriage as some form of formal commitment to just having kids in the last 400 years.

Still disagree. Accepting something is not the same as being extremely vocal about it.
Also male and female images in advertising do not necessarily mirror my own sexual fetishes.

...but they are pretty common fetishes even if they're not yours. The point is that what you view as normal and part of society is viewed by other cultures as weird, bizarre and obscene. Just because you're part of the largest and most dominant culture in the world doesn't mean that it's the only one.

Yes and you have to draw the line somewhere. Liberal as you may be, you wouldn't want your kids to spend time with someone, who considers Hitler to be a role model, yet in his own cultural circle it may be perfectly normal.

Yes and the line is drawn every day in our society. We draw the line at Child Molestation but in some parts of the world Child brides and Forced Marriage are common. We drew the line at Slavery 150 years ago but before that it was part of our society.

People running beauty contests would bash you so hard for this remark Many agree, that human's beauty is extended, but not limited to his or her sexuality, there are some other aesthetics as well. Also you seem to forget, that there are gay women, who may appreciate other women' beauty and as such may be interested in such contests or images. I personally don't find girls in such contests very attractive, but I digress. Festivals to heterosexuality? I know exactly 0 festivals, which were organized to specifically celebrate heterosexuality and I believe, that Spring Break is something about college in US.

There are many festivals to heterosexuality in European History. May Day, Mardi Gras and Midsummer's Eve all had fertility celebrations attached to them. Ancient European cultures celebrated both Phallic and Female heterosexuality.

I don't mind beauty contests or any other festival, gay festivals or whatever. Darwoth's post is an extreme.

When was the last time you were outside? People would ***** cheer for that guy and the next day the local newspaper would write how brave he is. My girlfriend and I do not actually approve of public displays of affection, whatever gender it might be, but I don't force my opinion on others in that regard. I have seen kissing gays numerous times, and never once was there some public condemnation or what not.
But then again, that has nothing to do with my point. I oppose people who specifically want make others aware of their sexuality just for the sake of it.

The point is that it shouldn't matter what their sexuality is. They're not trying to make you aware of it, they're simply living who they are.

I actually didn't see the contents of Darwoth's link, it was all metaphorical, but holy ****.
Like I said, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and in that case it was too late.

The morality line is drawn by society and communities. That line has moved over the years in many ways. It moves forward and then back and then forward again until it finds a line that includes both a moral and inclusive view of the world. People always think they live in the most depraved times and that the world was better at some point in the past. They're wrong on both counts.

Did you forget I was talking about you asking Darwoth to reveal his personal information? What you answered wasn't related to what I said at all. Clearly when I said "internet rulebook" I was not referring to something that is real, it would seem you missed the point. Saying someone should have the balls to reveal their name/location/etc. due to what they are saying is just your opinion.

It is just my opinion, you're right. It's how you counter racist assholes on the internet. They feel a freedom to be anonymous and post vile stuff they wouldn't say in public. I'm just pointing that out to them and showing them their cowardice and weakness. I believe in internet anonymity, but I also believe in simple decency towards each other and the Progressive idea of anti-racism and equality.

[pistolshrimp]

Because I only understand things posted in the Ideas and Innovations I will translate this thread:

Claeyt: Because everyone's opinion is healhty and valid (unless they are pedos) the restaurant devs should implement and endless number of bathrooms, one for each spot on the spectrum of sexuality.

Darwoth: Because illness is often defined by the dominate culture and its "norms" all devs need is 3 bathrooms, one for men, one for women, and one all the weirdos, also fat black women.

Pistolshrimp: Single occupant bathrooms. No gender required. Boom solved it, lock the thread.

Seriously tho, most people, gay, straight, whatever, don't have pee fantasies. Most people use the bathroom and get out. It's weird when people get all fussy thinking people are going in to check out somebody else's *****. Not to mention in this culture there is this double standard, men check out women's breasts and butt in public all the time and its surely in a sexual context, but that's okay. Some kid masterbates to his teacher when he gets home from school and that's just puberty but some gay guy checks out a straight guy and if we allow that to happen next thing you know people will start marrying goats or some crazy **** like that.

You see the world the way you want to see it.


I'd like to point out, since it seems relevant to the OP that the statical probability of the person you are peeing next to

[Inotdead]

Procreation is only part of what marriage is about...

No one was talking about marriage. We are free to love whomever we want, it's the expression of love, or in this particular case, love preferences, which is sometimes questionable.

The point is that what you view as normal...

Pretty sure homosexuality is generally accepted these days, unless you live in a country like Russia. I will return to this point later.

Yes and the line is drawn every day in our society

No questions here, it's just where we want this line to be drawn which is different.

There are many festivals to heterosexuality in European History...

Still disagree. In your examples sexuality is neither center aspect, nor main theme of the festival. They were created to celebrate something different.
I'm okay with gays or whatever other sexuality participating in festivals, creating their own traditions in time. I'm not okay with sexuality, any kind of it, being the name and sole purpose of any festival.

The point is that it should matter what their sexuality is. They're not trying to make you aware of it, they're simply living who they are.

That's the point where I firmly say "No".
It shouldn't matter what sexuality I am, sexuality shouldn't be the central aspect of our life at all.
And living who I am shouldn't be forcing my opinion onto others, which is exactly what vocal parts of minorities and their radical liberal friends do.
I say, that I find foot fetish disgusting, and everythings fine, I'm just expressing my opinion.
I say, that I find gays disgusting, and suddenly I'm bigot, homophobic and oppressive.
Like I said before, different sexualities are generally tolerated in the society, yet tolerating something and finding it "normal" is different, and I do not want anyone telling me what is normal and what is not.
I want to have my right to say, that I do not like something.

The morality line is drawn by society and communities...

No questions here either.

[Cheena]

That's the point where I firmly say "No".
It shouldn't matter what sexuality I am, sexuality shouldn't be the central aspect of our life at all.
And living who I am shouldn't be forcing my opinion onto others, which is exactly what vocal parts of minorities and their radical liberal friends do.
I say, that I find foot fetish disgusting, and everythings fine, I'm just expressing my opinion.
I say, that I find gays disgusting, and suddenly I'm bigot, homophobic and oppressive.
Like I said before, different sexualities are generally tolerated in the society, yet tolerating something and finding it "normal" is different, and I do not want anyone telling me what is normal and what is not.

I think he wanted to say that it shoulN'T matter what their sexuality is... I mean it sounds weird from him to say something like that. Yet well, who knows, sometimes Claeyt speaks nonsense u_u

I want to have my right to say, that I do not like something.

Well, we all have it. We also all have the right to talk back to you for what you said. You don't like foot fetishes ? lol idgaf. You don't like gays ? Well you're a moron. I also have the right to tell you that I don't like you for whatever reason, isn't it ?
The only thing that you don't/shouldn't have the right to do, is to socially (professionally, publicly) discriminate someone because you don't like what he is. That's all.
...yes, I've reviewed my views on freedom of speech ;_;

[Inotdead]

I also have the right to tell you that I don't like you for whatever reason, isn't it ?
The only thing that you don't/shouldn't have the right to do, is to socially (professionally, publicly) discriminate someone because you don't like what he is. That's all.

Of course you do, that's exactly my point. We should tolerate each others opinions, but we don't have to like/agree with them.

Yet sadly more often than not it doesn't end with people calling someone, who claims to not like gays, moron.

[Claeyt]

Procreation is only part of what marriage is about...

No one was talking about marriage. We are free to love whomever we want, it's the expression of love, or in this particular case, love preferences, which is sometimes questionable.

So you're okay with gay marriage?

There are many festivals to heterosexuality in European History...

Still disagree. In your examples sexuality is neither center aspect, nor main theme of the festival. They were created to celebrate something different.
I'm okay with gays or whatever other sexuality participating in festivals, creating their own traditions in time. I'm not okay with sexuality, any kind of it, being the name and sole purpose of any festival.

I don't know which country you come from so the whole festival/parade/street festival thing might not translate well to your country.

Think of it more as a minority parade or festival. We have tons of them in the U.S. Every group of immigrants have their own celebration or weekend parade. In my city there are parades for St. Patty's day , Cinco De Mayo, 17th May, Bastile day on the 14th July and a festival for Oktoberfest. Even though we have one of the friendliest gay cities in the country and we've had a gay congressional rep for 20 years we actually don't have a gay pride parade. We do have a local gay festival at a park around the end of June which is based on the timing of the Stonewall riots and the historic gay rights protests around that time back when.

The point is that it should matter what their sexuality is. They're not trying to make you aware of it, they're simply living who they are.

That's the point where I firmly say "No".
It shouldn't matter what sexuality I am, sexuality shouldn't be the central aspect of our life at all.
And living who I am shouldn't be forcing my opinion onto others, which is exactly what vocal parts of minorities and their radical liberal friends do.
I say, that I find foot fetish disgusting, and everythings fine, I'm just expressing my opinion.
I say, that I find gays disgusting, and suddenly I'm bigot, homophobic and oppressive.
Like I said before, different sexualities are generally tolerated in the society, yet tolerating something and finding it "normal" is different, and I do not want anyone telling me what is normal and what is not.
I want to have my right to say, that I do not like something.

Sorry, Cheena's right. I meant "shouldn't". Edited.

They're not forcing an opinion on you. They're just living their life. You can just disagree with that but they're entitled to their freedoms as well, at least in my country. If you don't like it then fine, but you will be seen as disliking someone for their homosexuality instead of the "content of their character". You also can't turn that dislike into formal discrimination in the person's job, school or housing.

Yet sadly more often than not it doesn't end with people calling someone, who claims to not like gays, moron.

Disliking someone because of their skin color is stupid. Disliking someone because of their nationality is idiotic. Disliking someone because of their language is dumb. Disliking someone because of their sexuality is moronic.

Judge someone on what they do and "the content of their character" and you'll be doing your small part towards making the world a better place.

[Darwoth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk