What is a griefer? raider?

[masau]

I find it mildly amusing how quickly this thread that was created as a result another thread getting derailed for pages got derailed in turn.

Also...what's up with the bounties for a stupid suggestion? If everyone placed bounties on people who made stupid suggestions, bounty hunters would be rich in a matter of hours.

[Sevenless]

I find it mildly amusing how quickly this thread that was created as a result another thread getting derailed for pages got derailed in turn.

Also...what's up with the bounties for a stupid suggestion? If everyone placed bounties on people who made stupid suggestions, bounty hunters would be rich in a matter of hours.

I do believe this wouldn't be a problem.

[masau]

I'm more interested in why bounties (and 3 of them at that) for this specific bad suggestion and not the plethora of others that I've seen made in my sort time on these forums.

[Uronoro]

your suggestions would ruin the entire fabric of the game, people like you have eventually ruined every game i liked with ideas like this, your days are numbered infidel swine.

Yes, how dare there be people in this world who have differing opinions.

Why stop at placing a bounty on just one guy and attempting to make him feel inferior? Maybe you should just toss us all who think like him in some form of work camp together to get us out of the way.

Its not like that has ever ended badly.

[Dallane]

your suggestions would ruin the entire fabric of the game, people like you have eventually ruined every game i liked with ideas like this, your days are numbered infidel swine.

Yes, how dare there be people in this world who have differing opinions.

Why stop at placing a bounty on just one guy and attempting to make him feel inferior? Maybe you should just toss us all who think like him in some form of work camp together to get us out of the way.

Its not like that has ever ended badly.

another 2k for info on this person

[Uronoro]

another 2k for info on this person

Have fun. Truly.

[Dallane]

another 2k for info on this person

Have fun. Truly.

i will!

[Wetwilly2002]

So you still don't understand the concept of griefing and who said grief is part of griefing? You sir are wrong! Grief is the state of the losing someone special. Well the game has permadeath and if you feel you lost someone special, well you put too much time into that toon.
A griefer folks just for future talk and don't get it confused with grief:

1. Player killing in games that do not have areas or options to limit such actions. This does not include games that are designed with constant player combat in mind.
2. Intentional friendly fire or deliberately performing actions detrimental to team members' game performance, including wasting key game elements and colluding with the opposition (known as "ghosting").
3. Any methods of reversing another player's progress, such as randomly destroying other players' creations in Minecraft or Terraria.
4. Written or verbal insults, including false accusations of cheating or griefing.
5. Kill stealing, denying other players the items or experience from killing an NPC enemy.
6. Spamming a chat channel to deliberately inconvenience other players.
7. Camping at a corpse or area to kill someone as soon as they resurrect, to annoy them rather than for any tactical reason.
8. Acting out-of-character in a role-play setting to disrupt the serious gameplay of others.
9. Luring many monsters or one big one to chase the griefer, before moving to where other players are "kiting" (attacking monsters from a safe distance). The line of monsters in pursuit looks like a train, and hence this is sometimes called "training".
10. Blocking another player's way so they cannot move to or from a particular area, or access an in-game resource (such as a non-player character).
11. Deliberately blocking shots from your own team or blocking a player's view by standing in front of them so they can not damage the enemy.
12. Intentionally attempting to crash a server, in order to cause interference among players.
13. Intentionally using glitches or exploits to halt the progress of a Co-op or Multiplayer game (such as destroying or blocking of access to items without which other players cannot finish the game).

Well only number 3 comes close, but number 1 debunks that statement for this type of game mechanics. As well as not randomly going around destroying stuff to reverse game progress when the chief rolls in he plays for keeps right at the spot.

[_Gunnar]

I would say breaking/taking anyone else's toys without a good reason is naughty, and thus all raiders are roleplaying evil characters, and should just accept that they are & move on. Its really lame that for some reason it has become accepted that "its part of the game, so hurting/destroying other people's property is all fine and i'm really nice". It is part of the game and you can do as you please, but don't complain if other people judge you for what is essentially an obnoxious action .

Having said that there is also still (as others have said) a clear difference between raiding for profit and griefing for lulz, which is just pathetic + annoying.

[Sevenless]

I'm more interested in why bounties (and 3 of them at that) for this specific bad suggestion and not the plethora of others that I've seen made in my sort time on these forums.

Honestly? They're just doing it for "fun". The first person to come up with the idea of bounties just made it a competition to see who can kill the guy. Then the alpha male syndrome took over. It's also a "legitimate" method of trolling if you think about it. They can piss off/scare carebears with just a couple words now XD

As for wetwilly's statements I agree with all of your examples except number three. Number three can have non-griefing reasons behind it such as strategic ones (kill the enemy town's cows when you raid them to hurt them in haven for example).

A general way to sum up griefing vs raiding imo: Griefing is hurting others for personal gain due to their pain (obviously it's an emotional gain because it makes them happy). Raiding is hurting others for personal gain that is due to furthering or improving their situation within the game (whatever the game happens to be).

It's all about intentions, not the actions or their result.

For example, when noobies move literally 15 tiles from my wall and start setting up baskets and a leanto. I will destroy those baskets and steal everything not claimed. I don't do it because I enjoy them being hurt, I do it because I don't want a noobie living 15 tiles outside my walls who'd eventually set up his own claim and hamper my village expansion.

That's not greifing because the gain I'm after is not pleasure at their pain. That being said, the activity of actively hampering other player's progress in any manner is often referred to as griefing and hence the confusion of terms.