Ukraine vs Russia

[Claeyt]

One does not need to live or be Russian to support Putin.

Nobody supports Putin outside the country but Dictators and elderly Russian nationalists. Inside Russia only the Oligarchs and those they are able convince to be afraid of instability support him. Vote Kasparov.

Guantanamo is just one of many institutions USA has to hold foreign people . USA is furthermore represented by elected officials; the President does not represent USA alone. Just the fact that it took so long time to close Guantanamo speaks volumes of the inhabitants of the country.

All foreign 'Black Sites' are now closed (The U.S. military still has active sites in Afghanistan for military prisoners but with Red Cross and International access). They were an invention of ***** Cheney and Rumsfeld. They should both be prosecuted for them.

Guantanamo is also their fault. Obama has been trying to close it for 5 years and Congress doesn't want them in their states. There is no prison in the United States that is capable of holding military prisoners like them. The Federal Supermax is the only one like that and it can't hold that many. One is being built in Illinois and one is being built in Colorado. The prisoners there now have full legal rights. The Supreme court determined that 2 years ago. They determined them to be "non-uniformed enemy combatants in a combat zone" which means they will be mostly prosecuted by the judiciary or Military justice system under that war crime which was the correct judgment in my opinion. They also determined that they have the same rights as if they were held on U.S. soil.

The prison alone is not a war crime. The torture, renditions, deaths and illegal detentions of innocent men that happened there and that was approved by the Bush administration was a war crime in my opinion and those responsible should be prosecuted. Some of them almost were.

The U.S. torture and rendition program ended the day Obama took office. Stopping it and re-instating The Uniform Code of conduct for all prisoners was one of the first thing he signed as president. Some of the Bush administration should be prosecuted for it. Hopefully they will be.

The NSA and Obama's drone policy are his sins and they are affecting our election choices. He's wrong and the American people are telling him that. The U.S. congress are challenging and changing both policies.

[Odekva]

If a man is sentenced for kidnapping, murder attempts and works with terrorists - I call him a bandit.
If a man is shooting at the unarmed people who do nothing - I call him a bandit.
If a man tries to convince others in his thought out ***** - I call him a fanatic idiot.

Odekva is the child of the Rich. His parents and family are the wood ticks of the country. Sucking it dry.

And something makes me think that you are one of the last ones....

[naosnule]

One does not need to live or be Russian to support Putin.

Nobody supports Putin outside the country but Dictators and elderly Russian nationalists. Inside Russia only the Oligarchs and those they are able convince to be afraid of instability support him. Vote Kasparov.

Assuming your "nobody" is actually "no majority in a country", it is in line with my thoughts about the common man since the common man usually takes up the largest piece of a population per definition:

The common man is willing to take bribes, implement nepotism, favors heavy censorship of views that he does not agree with, is xenophobic, is very much willing to screw most over if it helps him and his family.

That's why the common man and his beliefs and interests should not be considered to be ideal or even "good".

[Claeyt]

If a man is sentenced for kidnapping, murder attempts and works with terrorists - I kall him a bandit.
If a man is shooting at the unarmed people who do nothing - I call him a bandit.
If a man tries to convince others in his thought out ***** - I call him a fanatic idiot.

This sounds like you are talking about Putin and Yanokovich. 200+ people are still missing in Ukraine after being held by the Berkut Police.

[Claeyt]

One does not need to live or be Russian to support Putin.

Nobody supports Putin outside the country but Dictators and elderly Russian nationalists. Inside Russia only the Oligarchs and those they are able convince to be afraid of instability support him. Vote Kasparov.

Assuming your "nobody" is actually "no majority in a country", it is in line with my thoughts about the common man since the common man usually takes up the largest piece of a population per definition:

The common man is willing to take bribes, implement nepotism, favors heavy censorship of views that he does not agree with, is xenophobic, is very much willing to screw most over if it helps him and his family.

That's why the common man and his beliefs and interests should not be considered to be ideal or even "good".

You are not describing the Common Man. You are describing the Selfish Man.

This is a delusion of the Russians. Only a Russian could write this. An American or European wouldn't write this. We have barely any bribery here.

If the Common man's beliefs aren't good then who's are? ...and who determines if they're not good?

The Common man does not take or give bribes. Only a man with power can force a bribe. Only a man with extra money can bribe someone.

The Common man does not implement nepotism. Only a man with a job to give can give it to his family or friends.

The Common man does not favor censorship. The Common man wants to hear "the truth" and "the facts" from many sources and make up his own mind.

The Common man is not xenophobic. The Common man is often afraid of new things and reacts in anger until he gets to know the person and their culture.

The Common man respects and helps his family, neighbor, town, nation, and world. Only the Selfish man acts like what you describe.

[naosnule]

All foreign 'Black Sites' are now closed (The U.S. military still has active sites in Afghanistan for military prisoners but with Red Cross and International access). They were an invention of ***** Cheney and Rumsfeld. They should both be prosecuted for them.

How long time are the captured people held against their will without a fair trial? A day or two? A week? A month? A year? Will the people who've been held against their will without trial for over a week, get a formal apology and economical compensation?

[Claeyt]

All foreign 'Black Sites' are now closed (The U.S. military still has active sites in Afghanistan for military prisoners but with Red Cross and International access). They were an invention of ***** Cheney and Rumsfeld. They should both be prosecuted for them.

How long time are the captured people held against their will without a fair trial? A day or two? A week? A month? Will the people who've been held against their will without trial, get a formal apology and economical compensation?

The Taliban and Al-Quaida fighters who were captured and held at Guantanamo are considered prisoners of war.

The things that were done to them is what's illegal, not that they were held.

The Supreme Court determined that alll U.S. black sites and renditions were illegal. They do not happen anymore. The Supreme Court determined that all Prisoners will get a judicial review to determine their legal status. All prisoners still at Guantanamo have been declared Prisoner's of War who we're illegally 'enemy combatants'. This means that they were non-uniformed and trying to attack civilian targets.

Taliban fighters captured today are held in military prisons under Afghan and U.S. control. They have immediate access to the Red Crescent and International laws. This was not the case under Bush. What Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did was illegal and it cost us the good will of the world, just like Putin's illegal actions in Ukraine today.

[naosnule]

All foreign 'Black Sites' are now closed (The U.S. military still has active sites in Afghanistan for military prisoners but with Red Cross and International access). They were an invention of ***** Cheney and Rumsfeld. They should both be prosecuted for them.

How long time are the captured people held against their will without a fair trial? A day or two? A week? A month? Will the people who've been held against their will without trial, get a formal apology and economical compensation?

The Taliban and Al-Quaida fighters who were captured and held at Guantanamo are considered prisoners of war.

The things that were done to them is what's illegal, not that they were held.

Taliban fighters captured today are held in military prisons under Afghan and U.S. control. They have immediate access to the Red Crescent and International laws. This was not the case under Bush. What Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did was illegal and it cost us the good will of the world, just like Putin's illegal actions in Ukraine today.

What a country considers illegal or not, means absolutely nothing for whether or not it is right or not. You seem to dislike torture, but do you realize that depriving people of their freedom is one of the worst things you can do against any human being?

Censoring is another one.

A group of soldiers can very well lie and state "hurrr durrr that guy shot at us". That fact and the opinion that censoring and removing the freedom of an individual is among the worst things one can possibly do to it, accentuates the need of a quick but fair trial.

Edit: Of course using the term "prisoner of war" is an extremely convenient way to handle what would otherwise be a messy situation . It is the easy-mode out so it is no wonder why countries use it to reduce their own headache.

[L33LEE]

All foreign 'Black Sites' are now closed (The U.S. military still has active sites in Afghanistan for military prisoners but with Red Cross and International access). They were an invention of ***** Cheney and Rumsfeld. They should both be prosecuted for them.

How long time are the captured people held against their will without a fair trial? A day or two? A week? A month? Will the people who've been held against their will without trial, get a formal apology and economical compensation?

The Taliban and Al-Quaida fighters who were captured and held at Guantanamo are considered prisoners of war.

The things that were done to them is what's illegal, not that they were held.

The Supreme Court determined that alll U.S. black sites and renditions were illegal. They do not happen anymore. The Supreme Court determined that all Prisoners will get a judicial review to determine their legal status. All prisoners still at Guantanamo have been declared Prisoner's of War who we're illegally 'enemy combatants'. This means that they were non-uniformed and trying to attack civilian targets.

Taliban fighters captured today are held in military prisons under Afghan and U.S. control. They have immediate access to the Red Crescent and International laws. This was not the case under Bush. What Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did was illegal and it cost us the good will of the world, just like Putin's illegal actions in Ukraine today.

And this is what is wrong with the world as a whole.

You murder countless people, rape children, instigate terror, yet still have Legal rights ?

Worthless peice of **** laws.

This world would actually get somewere if it took some Shia law into its own system.

More Eye for an Eye is required if you ask me.

PS: There is such illegal activitys in WAR? Shocking, WAR is illegal? WOW better be scared ? This world has come to a whole new ***** level of stupidity.

Its all about perspective, wether legal or illegal. Were as some will condem actions as illegal and criminal, others will see them as actions of heros and never consider them as criminal.

[Claeyt]

What a country considers illegal or not, means absolutely nothing for whether or not it is right or not. You seem to dislike torture, but do you realize that depriving people of their freedom is one of the worst things you can do against any human being?

Censoring is another one.

A group of soldiers can very well lie and state "hurrr durrr that guy shot at us". That fact and the opinion that censoring and removing the freedom of an individual is among the worst things one can possibly do to it, accentuates the need of a quick but fair trial.

Edit: Of course using the term "prisoner of war" is an extremely convenient way to handle what would otherwise be a messy situation . It is the easy-mode out so it is no wonder why countries use it to reduce their own headache.

The Judicial Process is what determines what is illegal or not. It is an interpretation by the Independent Judiciary that determines what is law. That is what it means to live in a constitutional democracy. Yes, depriving people of their freedom is bad but it is sometimes necessary in a fair and just manner.

Censorship is bad. We have almost no censorship in the United States. The only censorship really is child porn and TV/movie ratings for parents to control what their kids watch. Government legal actions like with Snowden reporting sometimes cross the line but overall that is very minor. Russia is very, very censored and the press is routinely killed over there for disagreeing with Putin and the State or reporting on the Oligarchs.

We use the term prisoner of war because we are at War. All prisoners captured in Afghanistan are now given rights under U.S. military law and Afghan law. They can't be legally removed from the country without the permission of the Afghan government. This was not the case before there was an Afghan government and under the Bush administration.

All prisoners at Guantanamo have lawyers now. The Supreme Court over-ruled Bush and Cheney. Most are held and will be tried in a court under Military Law (They attacked military targets or civilian targets in Afghanistan). Some are being held under U.S. Civilian Law (They Planned attacks on the U.S. or Europe) and will be tried in a civilian court. All of them have the right to appeal the decision.

Again, you need to separate the fact that they are prisoners (legal) from the fact of what happened to them (illegal). In the cases of innocent prisoners who were taken from their countries, The U.S. Supreme Court has already heard the appeals of all of them that had been illegally rendered from a foreign country and either freed them or continued to hold them. Those that were freed are currently suing Cheney and Bush officials in Germany and other countries. I hope they win.

The War in Afghanistan and Iraq (an illegal war in my opinion) and the Bush administration (and yes the Obama administration to a much, much lesser degree) have led to some dark, dark times following 9/11.

Putin's actions in Ukraine are like Iraq. He is illegally occupying a foreign country. The difference is that Bush wanted to remove a corrupt dictator that was robbing his country and Putin wants to put one back in.