Gluttony King© - The go-to program for gluttony

[nico54k9]

That is very generous of you chief I would love to be financially compensated, but if RL money cant be exchanged, in game currency would be just as appreciated

The only problem is, i'm actually joining the army, for which i have spent the past year going through the recruitment process for. I have no choice as to when i start, nor do i have knowledge of when that is.

If i find out that it wont be till about Q2 next year, i could possibly continue working on the program, however that depends whether or not the devs change the event multipliers, or just the base event matrix. If the multipliers are changed, Dark's matrices will not work and i wont be able to calculate any of the 712 food combinations (well, the ones that actually need calculating).

How about spend some time polishing the framework and give yourself some tools for better automation, then when the update is released you'll be primed and ready to go with a few adjustments here and there to fill it out. If you give people a way to help you (like post a template for a text file of a certain format that you can import) I'm sure many would, look at all the help folks gave the MM wiki when they posted about it inviting suggestions.

I wish it was that easy. I have done barely anything in terms of programming. The program itself is just a simple tool to display, sort and organise information in a legible form. That itself will not need to be changed, ever. The 65% completion i previously posted about was the amount i have completed in a spreadsheet. Its simply a big long list (712 long) of all the possible food combinations and their humor values along with the average. Since the values of the foods are changing, the whole spreadsheet will become invalid and i would have to start again if i was continue along that same path. If i had a greater knowledge of programming i would take an easier more automated path but i have no idea how to program a matrix calculator.

As for an insight to the scale of the project.
- 4x spreadsheets (1 for each bile)
- each spreadsheet contains 712 food combinations
- each food has 7 columns (name, ingredients, 4 events for that particular bile, and the average)
- 4984 cells to fill in with information for a SINGLE bile.
- 3560 of those 4984 cells have to be individually calculated
- 19936 cells in total to fill in - i have almost 7000 left, all of which are the ones that need to be calculated.
That information is just kinda to explain why its taken me so long to get where i am now and why it would be a pain to start again.

[MagicManICT]

Or we may not if that falls under the whole "no RL money for Salem things" rule. I'm not sure. We would need a mod to weigh in on if compensation can be made for 3rd party software that helps Salem community.

Probably best to ask jorb on this one. It falls into that grey area of IP rights etc, etc.

The only problem is, i'm actually joining the army, for which i have spent the past year going through the recruitment process for. I have no choice as to when i start, nor do i have knowledge of when that is.

Bit off topic, but just want to say good luck to you, sir. It's not an easy life, but one that can net you good life experience. Boot camp doesn't last forever, and when it's over, you have a ton of free time on your hands (or stay busy 16 hours a day).

[jwhitehorn]

As for an insight to the scale of the project.
- 4x spreadsheets (1 for each bile)
- each spreadsheet contains 712 food combinations
- each food has 7 columns (name, ingredients, 4 events for that particular bile, and the average)
- 4984 cells to fill in with information for a SINGLE bile.
- 3560 of those 4984 cells have to be individually calculated
- 19936 cells in total to fill in - i have almost 7000 left, all of which are the ones that need to be calculated.
That information is just kinda to explain why its taken me so long to get where i am now and why it would be a pain to start again.

In my Spirit Vision the new Gluttony System has "less" occurances. I.E. You do not need to fill in 16 cells per food anymore. Therefore, this might be 25-50% as difficult after the patch.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[nico54k9]

In my Spirit Vision the new Gluttony System has "less" occurances. I.E. You do not need to fill in 16 cells per food anymore. Therefore, this might be 25-50% as difficult after the patch.

That would be quite nice. When i get some spare time, maybe a bit after christmas, i will invest some time into finding an easy way to program a matrix calculator, so the whole thing will become a lot more automated and more user friendly But like i said, it still depends of whether or not they change the multiplir values because then i would need to wait for Dark to fix them up

Bit off topic, but just want to say good luck to you, sir. It's not an easy life, but one that can net you good life experience. Boot camp doesn't last forever, and when it's over, you have a ton of free time on your hands (or stay busy 16 hours a day).

Thank you Magic
It is only about 3 months boot camp, then basically 1.5 years doing tafe/school. During that time though i would expect to have a decent amount of spare time, just depends when i move in with the gf haha.

[loftar]

- 4x spreadsheets (1 for each bile)

You know, there are only two of the four humours that are biles.

[jwhitehorn]

You know, there are only two of the four humours that are biles.

Can I pay people on the forums RL $$ to generate 3rd party software like what he is doing?

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[loftar]

I don't mind, but I can't speak for Jorb or Paradox.

[Claeyt]

I don't mind, but I can't speak for Jorb or Paradox.

Soooo.... Paradox won't be hosting the servers anymore? You didn't answer the wipe question. Will there be a wipe when the servers are moved? It sounds like you and Jorb are thinking that instead of a wipe it's going to be more in the way of a legacy character nerf with a lowering of legacy character humours and then making it harder to get up to 400-1000 range if the chief is telling the truth about any private convo's' you had.

You can see how this affects us as players of your game, right? This is why we're so desperate for answers. Nico has spent days doing this work so far and it's going to be changed. The Chief has spent a lifetime on this game it seems. I know I've spent a few hours building my town. It would be nice to have a little information about what's going to happen to the game.

Wipe or no Wipe? Legacy nerf or Legacy humus and worms stay in the game? Exact gluttony change info? Character wipe or Character nerf?

All of these would help us to understand how much time we want to put into the game and where it's going. When you leave us in the dark the trolls and griefers go wild with misinformation and ***** and it's not helping the game grow.

[DarkNacht]

You can see how this affects us as players of your game, right? This is why we're so desperate for answers. Nico has spent days doing this work so far and it's going to be changed. The Chief has spent a lifetime on this game it seems. I know I've spent a few hours building my town. It would be nice to have a little information about what's going to happen to the game.

Wipe or no Wipe? Legacy nerf or Legacy humus and worms stay in the game? Exact gluttony change info? Character wipe or Character nerf?

All of these would help us to understand how much time we want to put into the game and where it's going. When you leave us in the dark the trolls and griefers go wild with misinformation and ***** and it's not helping the game grow.

We all know that the core mechanics of this are in flux and all of our work could become trivial at any point it time if you can't handle that don't play. And if you read the details on the forum then you would know that loftar said that they may consider scaling back some legacy items and characters. If they may scale them back they are probably not going to then wipe them.

[jwhitehorn]

legacy character nerf with a lowering of legacy character humours

No,
In my Spirit Vision I saw the nerf-bat wildly slamming upon Legacy Characters and non-Legacy characters all the same. If a Legacy character needs to be nerfed down a few hundred points than ALL characters shall be nerf'd down a few hundred points. The difference is "The other guys" will have mechanics that allow them to then catch up again. The Legacy character will simply be at the new theoretical cap.

This allows the compromise to both factions. The veterans do not unilaterally lose work. And the noob-faction can "catch up" (but still won't do it).

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe