Is it a time for open beta? - Thoughts 'bout bank and mail.

[jwhitehorn]

If you have not noticed this game is quite good at being pretty neutral. Knowledge is power and it reigns supreme within this game. Don't like being robbed? Tough luck. Deal with it by either moving to dealing with the thief. Get killed? (Be happy this is not H&H else you could die from a rabbit killing you.) Tough luck. Pull your self back up from your boot straps and find a way to counter it. Can't seem to understand a certain mechanic? Either explore it thoroughly or read one of the many, and do I mean many, guides.

Do not expect me to be all giddy about finding a way to take the learning curve and make it into some ***** up welfare system for new players though. That is the last damn thing this game needs. We've all been in those spots before, and we've all dealt with it. There are an infinite amount of ways to stop bad things from occurring. Only the idiotic, slow learning, and ignorant will not get it.

We should, must, have the ability to larceny accounts that are off line from their home-stead with no bias towards who has been in the game the longest or shortest. That is how this game works. You can make it into Farmvile, casually play it, or just out right wage war and watch the whole thing burn. Yet do you know what the difference is to all those things?

Someone can kill you. Why not add the ability to also rob them while they are, logged off, sleeping? It makes complete and utter sense. It would be foolish to disagree with this and completely upset the current imbalance more-so. There are already plenty of reasons why new players would run off. For the sake of the argument go read the past 10 pages of both political sections on the H&H and Salem forums. They are both riddled with those type of people.

No welfare. No imbalance. Death to the alt. vaults.

Are you ready to play on the real server and start your VQ yet?

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Hardy]

Someone can kill you. Why not add the ability to also rob them while they are, logged off, sleeping? It makes complete and utter sense. It would be foolish to disagree with this and completely upset the current imbalance more-so. There are already plenty of reasons why new players would run off. For the sake of the argument go read the past 10 pages of both political sections on the H&H and Salem forums. They are both riddled with those type of people.

No welfare. No imbalance. Death to the alt. vaults.

First off i was not standing in favor of alt vaults or the bank and mail system simple pointing out that there was an issue with Chiefs solution to the problem for a new player as by default they would be low bile and subject to being stolen from the same as an alt vault.

So lets go with your solution just make it so all toons can be summone killed at any time without scents why stop at just stealing from them. After all why should you not be able to kill them also just because they are logged off.

[jwhitehorn]

First off i was not standing in favor of alt vaults or the bank and mail system simple pointing out that there was an issue with Chiefs solution to the problem for a new player as by default they would be low bile and subject to being stolen from the same as an alt vault.

No... An Alt Vault has no leanto. So he can be stolen from in town. A new player DOES have a leanto so he can ONLY be stolen from if he is found in the wild. But he can also be KO'd and stolen from if he is found in the wild too.... So you clearly didn't understand the system. This places the "New player" at no more a disadvantage than they already are. A new player w/o a homestead is at a disadvantage but anybody who is not capable to get as far as clicking on the wilderness guide should not have the game designed with their desires in mind.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Hardy]

First off i was not standing in favor of alt vaults or the bank and mail system simple pointing out that there was an issue with Chiefs solution to the problem for a new player as by default they would be low bile and subject to being stolen from the same as an alt vault.

No... An Alt Vault has no leanto. So he can be stolen from in town. A new player DOES have a leanto so he can ONLY be stolen from if he is found in the wild. But he can also be KO'd and stolen from if he is found in the wild too.... So you clearly didn't understand the system. This places the "New player" at no more a disadvantage than they already are. A new player w/o a homestead is at a disadvantage but anybody who is not capable to get as far as clicking on the wilderness guide should not have the game designed with their desires in mind.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

Maybe I am not understanding you but it still sounds like your saying that if you find a players lean to in the wild you should be able to steal from their inventory even while they are off line. I understand that if you catch them on line you can kill them and take your stuff but if your allowed to steal everything from their inventory even while off line how do you every get anywhere in the game before you learn how to play.

[jwhitehorn]

Maybe I am not understanding you but it still sounds like your saying that if you find a players lean to in the wild you should be able to steal from their inventory even while they are off line. I understand that if you catch them on line you can kill them and take your stuff but if your allowed to steal everything from their inventory even while off line how do you every get anywhere in the game before you learn how to play.

You hide your leanto in less-traveled areas, or hire somebody to track down the scents from anybody who does that to you. It will of course leaves summonable scents to steal from somebody who is offline.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

[Amour_Vulpes]

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Please tell me you have at least one, or any knowledge thereof them (There are entire threads and Wiki pages dedicated to this.) and I know that must be such a hard requirement, black skill. Do you have larceny? How about The Story of Kane & Able? Any knowledge of these two even though you may not have them? If you've none of these please see reference A. If you have any of the three I just stated then see reference B and disregard all of reference A.

Reference A:

Those without proper knowledge either from experience and or knowledge thereof the game mechanics points are that of nothingness. Those without knowledge have no right to voice concern, for they are just that. Pointless. I highly suggest you take your welfare state ideas, even the though disgusts me, and find a group of people who will appreciate them. You will get none from me.

Reference B:

We both already know you can be summon killed. Else the jackass named Shill would not be ***** about that pointless "honor" concept awhile back due to being summon killed. That on top of countless, a many nameless, others. Why would adding the ability to use larceny on pointless alt. vaults, they need to be put down honestly, let alone people who are off line at their homestead's be a problem? The fact that someone has gotten into your base already leaves a many opportunities. You are most likely going to be robbed at that point. The natural fact would be to pull yourself up by your boot straps and try again and fix your errors. Not that hard of a concept to miss.

My suggestion, no suggestion in this section of the forums is a solution mind you, is to simply add the ability to larceny characters that are off-line. May it require scents of theft or not is up for debate, though there should be no requirement for them if a thief, or law enforcer, is at your homestead.

Lets say this. I break into your home with a side arm while you are asleep. I begin to steal what ever I see fit and you are sound asleep as if you were a dead log. Why should I not be able to steal from you? I could damn well wait for you to get up and put two in your chest for my own pleasure. The fact we can not do this presents another imbalance. Reinforcing the idea that we can not do this in some form or another gives hopes to those who would support a welfare-state of sorts that you can find some "default safety" that should not exist.

Are you ready to play on the real server and start your VQ yet?

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

I'll have to pass on the offer, but thank you for it.

I'll admit I try to remain neutral in a many aspects, but I will always take my tea from Jamestown. Nothing personal of course. Simply personal standards that I can not become hypocritical to on top of on top of personal interests for the long term. Perhaps we'll meet one day, preferably in business.