Jorb, whats up with plymouth?

[vienradzis]

As i work in mental hospital i have six sense for dumb people. Its feel like you are one of them.

After reading your post i clearly see that this game isnt for you. You dont like that game rewards you for your time put in it. Knowledge you get playing and use afterwards. You dont like that people working together with coordination and fervor can achieve big goals.

My recommendation for you is try Farmville or some other ville.

P.S. wipe wont help fix problem that only thing you are dedicate to is masturbation watching some duck-face

[Tonkyhonk]

people left plymouth NOT because of jwhitehorn but because most of them got too bored. remember that plymouth is the oldest server.
(i had real life issues to continue playing salem, and when i got time to play again, my friends wanted me to join them in haven and i cannot play 2 games at the same time.)

a friend of mine who once had "by-far" the highest stats (according to jorb and loftar) said that it quickly got boring due to lack of contents and the gluttony system sucked hard because it was too easy once you have your base and all the farm set-ups, when -in his opinion- it should get more difficult to raise stats as your stats go higher. his townsfolks left one by one out of boredom, he had nothing else to do and decided to go on a raiding spree (he is not the type of players who willingly go raiding normally, but always practiced combat with friends even without sparring system, and he found salem combat lame as well), went out and destroyed a few neighbor towns single-handedly and waited for revengers. however, nobody came at all and he got bored of waiting and left the game himself too. (i think jwhitehorn was too busy being killed over and over and killing new players (or new chars of their own) near boston for his scalp thread around that time, and he hardly reads HoB.)

many players who started in plymouth didnt find it attractive enough to start all over again, in new servers, when there is basically nothing much new. (although im pretty sure many of them actually did make new chars to check them out, but not to play.)
new players did not want to start in plymouth where all other players have higher stats and already built up bases and claimed resources, and most likely also because of jwhitehorn's campaigns and forum threads, and people's advice "dont choose plymouth".

so, i dont think it is one faction's domination that has killed the plymouth server. (i may be very wrong, but i think it was the original intention of multi-server that how the oldest server would die down soon so they could close it without too much refunds and implement renewed system to reopen it?)
however, as you called it broken, devs seem to be well aware of what went wrong with the game and are working on fixes, which is why they took a long break - to look at the whole game and ponder without any pressures for updates. i remember i read that they said they wanted to fix the core part before theyd start building all other things up around it.

personally, i want devs to continue (or go back to) their basic policy of "make a game they themselves want to play". so, i dont really think its a good idea to ask them to read the current boring forums but rather wait for them to concentrate on their game development instead. and we will see what comes next sooner or later, with our hopes up.

[sefer]

As i work in mental hospital i have six sense for dumb people. Its feel like you are one of them.

After reading your post i clearly see that this game isnt for you. You dont like that game rewards you for your time put in it. Knowledge you get playing and use afterwards. You dont like that people working together with coordination and fervor can achieve big goals.

My recommendation for you is try Farmville or some other ville.

P.S. wipe wont help fix problem that only thing you are dedicate to is masturbation watching some duck-face

ah another troll who doesn't know how to read.. Or perhaps you are touched in the head? I love games that reward for time invested, but blood needs a cap. Too high a blood makes gods. Case and point, a single clan dominates a server. THE ENTIRE SERVER. With no hope of taking them down, since it takes months of farming to get up that high. Its highly doubtful 1 person can go undetected for that long, even more doubtful an army could. And because the game is more focused on Blood, rather than defensive items, it is impossible to stop them. But rather than see the truth, you decide to harass me with what looks like broken English. If your going to insult me at least learn how to say it correctly in my native language, you moron.

[vienradzis]

They rule because you and other noobs dont want even try to beat them. Be the man recruit some ppl who want to revenge to Tribe. And train for some time. Hide , change bases, dont do track-able crimes. And you will do it. But instead you only come and cry in forums.

[Thor]

ah another troll who doesn't know how to read.. Or perhaps you are touched in the head? I love games that reward for time invested, but blood needs a cap. Too high a blood makes gods. Case and point, a single clan dominates a server. THE ENTIRE SERVER. With no hope of taking them down,since it takes months of farming to get up that high. Its highly doubtful 1 person can go undetected for that long, even more doubtful an army could. And because the game is more focused on Blood, rather than defensive items, it is impossible to stop them. But rather than see the truth, you decide to harass me with what looks like broken English. If your going to insult me at least learn how to say it correctly in my native language, you moron.

Only around 10 days if you know what to do and play the first days intensively.
Well obviously not as good as the tribe but to 200-300 biles. And that's for one person, think about if you had 5-10 dedicated people who know what to do.

[sefer]

They rule because you and other noobs dont want even try to beat them. Be the man recruit some ppl who want to revenge to Tribe. And train for some time. Hide , change bases, dont do track-able crimes. And you will do it. But instead you only come and cry in forums.

Do understand I want a wipe for all servers after the system is changed, not just yours, (yes I noticed your selling stuff on Plymouth. A bit of bias perhaps?) I'm using Plymouth as an example of how bad the system is currently. Believe it or not, there were actually many players in the past. But crap happened, and now things need changing. Plymouth is slightly tollerable because right now, mm tribe is allowing people to live on the server, for a price. Do you really think it will be this way forever? With their prices, they are stunting your growth, while massing plenty of silver for if/when population starts coming back... Its highly likely when people come back, they are going to change their ways... After all, their comprised of trolls who don't care about the game. So naturally, they plan on tanking the server... Soon as many players start coming back, all their members will become fully active again only this time they will tear down and kill everyone, including you saps who pay taxes. And with their accumulated wealth from all of you, they can keep you gone, permanently. And as soon as the few of you oldies are taken care of, there will be no threats at all, since the rate of humour gaining takes so many months to get that far...

Im assuming their final goal is to either 1, completely cover the map with claims, or 2, cover it strategically to where they can easily block out most people trying to gather resources, and those that are between these zones, can easily be mowed down by their members who move through it like a pencil maze. Thus completely taking over and ruining that server.

Future goals? Doing that to the other servers.

Why? Because their trolls, they only enjoy pissing off others. And killing a game? Thats like crack to a troll. Thats why script kiddies exist, and hackers, and trolls. Thats all they enjoy. You get these kinds of people in these kinds of games.

I would prefer things not go that far, I would prefer that upon the gluttony change, this change is made as well, so that this cant happen.

But in the end, you need to understand, your only existing there because they want your tax, once they have enough silver, all of you will be dead.

Thor: and in the words of chief, one of his pawns, A "brave" can survive a 700 yellow bile humour person, they have enough blood that they can survive that. so 3-4 ppl to take down 1 single recruit? Even the current pop of active users on both the other servers couldn't give us enough people to take them out... And course thats just those characters, chief and his people have alts that have been eatting, so while your trying to get strong enough to challenge them, they are already preparing alts that can finish you off if you few manage to survive against them.

[Procne]

As i work in mental hospital i have six sense for dumb people. Its feel like you are one of them.

After reading your post i clearly see that this game isnt for you. You dont like that game rewards you for your time put in it. Knowledge you get playing and use afterwards. You dont like that people working together with coordination and fervor can achieve big goals.

My recommendation for you is try Farmville or some other ville.

P.S. wipe wont help fix problem that only thing you are dedicate to is masturbation watching some duck-face

ah another troll who doesn't know how to read.. Or perhaps you are touched in the head? I love games that reward for time invested, but blood needs a cap. Too high a blood makes gods. Case and point, a single clan dominates a server. THE ENTIRE SERVER. With no hope of taking them down, since it takes months of farming to get up that high. Its highly doubtful 1 person can go undetected for that long, even more doubtful an army could. And because the game is more focused on Blood, rather than defensive items, it is impossible to stop them. But rather than see the truth, you decide to harass me with what looks like broken English. If your going to insult me at least learn how to say it correctly in my native language, you moron.

Look, you say you came back afer almost 2 year absence. At this time we have been here and have seen mechanics change, we have seen new servers emerge, we have seen people come and go, and how MM came to power. And yet you instruct us how mechanics are broken, how should they be fixed, and you seem to know better than us why MM rules and why it's unbeatable.

Besides, 1 person can go unnoticed for months, if they are clever. They can even infiltrate enemy ranks, despite what MM says.
And with proper leadership, wit, organization and deception whole group can defend itself against the tribe. It really is not about the biles.

[sefer]

As i work in mental hospital i have six sense for dumb people. Its feel like you are one of them.

After reading your post i clearly see that this game isnt for you. You dont like that game rewards you for your time put in it. Knowledge you get playing and use afterwards. You dont like that people working together with coordination and fervor can achieve big goals.

My recommendation for you is try Farmville or some other ville.

P.S. wipe wont help fix problem that only thing you are dedicate to is masturbation watching some duck-face

ah another troll who doesn't know how to read.. Or perhaps you are touched in the head? I love games that reward for time invested, but blood needs a cap. Too high a blood makes gods. Case and point, a single clan dominates a server. THE ENTIRE SERVER. With no hope of taking them down, since it takes months of farming to get up that high. Its highly doubtful 1 person can go undetected for that long, even more doubtful an army could. And because the game is more focused on Blood, rather than defensive items, it is impossible to stop them. But rather than see the truth, you decide to harass me with what looks like broken English. If your going to insult me at least learn how to say it correctly in my native language, you moron.

Look, you say you came back afer almost 2 year absence. At this time we have been here and have seen mechanics change, we have seen new servers emerge, we have seen people come and go, and how MM came to power. And yet you instruct us how mechanics are broken, how should they be fixed, and you seem to know better than us why MM rules and why it's unbeatable.

Besides, 1 person can go unnoticed for months, if they are clever. They can even infiltrate enemy ranks, despite what MM says.
And with proper leadership, wit, organization and deception whole group can defend itself against the tribe. It really is not about the biles.

I didn't just jump on and start spouting randomly without researching first. I've been on the wiki, i've read all the changes, and ive scoured the forums to see what has been talked about, I looked up statistics on the population of the servers, and referenced them with what was being talked about change-wise and what was happening.. A vast majority of complaints and problems are around the Humours and Gluttony, and a clear example of that can be seen looking at the statistics and threads regarding Plymouth, its present, and its past, linking MM Tribe, especially Chief, tied with the Humours system specifically Blood, and Gluttony. Plymouth was a perfect example of how the current systems and measures were not properly balanced allowing a clan to completely take over a server in this manner. The scents system was designed to keep things like this in check, but it never accounted for the possibility of everyone going all Hurricane Katrina and start loot/pillaging/murdering everyone as if the world was ending, and because of that MM Tribe took advantage and used the system to wipe out their competition, which suddenly shifted the balance of power in their favoring allowing them to fight there way to the position they hold now, the problem being that the current systems in place, with their current control over the server like this, created a monopoly on the server or that of a dictator society, honestly Plymouth can be compared to the holocaust. We need the USA to come in and take them out, but thats impossible right now, because server transfers cannot be done atm. And even so, i bet they would cost money, and honestly, whos going to spend money for a chance at beating a clan on another server? Ridiculous. And even if they did manage to do that, whos to say they wouldn't just take over in their place? And also, imagine hitler as having clones, and all his men have clones, who are exactly as strong as him. That is what Plymouth is.

And thats why I believe since the gluttony system is being reworked anyway, they should take a look at the Humours, and also take Plymouth as an example, and try to ensure that it does not happen again. Also the large amount of new players that Chief and his people chased away have only aided in hurting the game, and further give it a bad name. And the longer new people bad mouth a game, and claim its only full of trolls, dont waste your time...well, then it wouldn't be long before we get that email that says "we regretfully inform you that the servers will shut down for a final time on xx date, this was a hard decision to make and we value and blah blah blah, generic were shutting down due to failed game here."

The few remaining users here, are ones that can be taken as "like" the current system... So the ones that quit... and based on all the threads by different users about this stuff... I'd say the vast majority of players, would like to see it changed. And since many new players are getting the same idea, especially because of chief showing them just what a old player with too much power can do, more people are agreeing that the system is not working well.

[Mushibag]

Look, you say you came back after almost 2 year absence. At this time we have been here and have seen mechanics change, we have seen new servers emerge, we have seen people come and go, and how MM came to power. And yet you instruct us how mechanics are broken, how should they be fixed, and you seem to know better than us why MM rules and why it's unbeatable.

Besides, 1 person can go unnoticed for months, if they are clever. They can even infiltrate enemy ranks, despite what MM says.
And with proper leadership, wit, organization and deception whole group can defend itself against the tribe. It really is not about the biles.

^This.

The only reason they own the server is because they are a very dedicated group of gamers. They spend a **** load of time playing the game, and do so in a productive manner. Anyone who dedicates as much time and effort to the game as they have/do has the chance to attain the same, if that is their goal.

The MM Tribe's opposition didn't quit the game because of them. They (We) all quit for different reasons, none of which were directly or indirectly related to the MM Tribe. If we were to decide to once again no-life it up on Salem, we could challenge their dominance, but it would take serious commitment to do so.

It is as it should be. Someone who plays casually, and/or doesn't have a comprehensive understanding of the game and its mechanics, can't compete with a group of dedicated, cohesive, knowledgeable players. Get over it.

---Simple explanation for those who don't have a college education

This coming from the guy who doesn't know the difference between their, they're, and there. Don't spout **** claiming intellectual supremacy when you can't even grasp the simple grammar rules of your native language.

[Procne]

I didn't just jump on and start spouting randomly without researching first.

Your posts here sure sound like this. I can certainly see you spending good few hours browsing through the forum to perfectly understand current situation and 1.5 year long history of the game just to create this topic.

You continue to ignore the fact that MM gained control over Plymouth not thanks to humours, but because of their persistence, effectiveness and organisation.
And that's how they maintain it.

In fact, I would love devs to give you, and 10 other people selected by you, chars with 1000 biles each and 100 in each proficiencies, so that you can retake Plymouth. I am sure you would fail.

Actually, that would be an interesting event right before closing Plymouth.