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Since the source type patch in the spring making foods with different source material (ie using bear instead of deer) causes the resulting food to have different gluttony values. This is kind of a pain to manage and caused me to make a "library" of sorts in a few urns to remember the effects of different ingredients. I have a set of zero purity humble meat pies using all the different meats, etc. For the most part using a higher tier ingredient (bear instead of rabbit) results in better food, which makes sense.

I just saw someone selling a meat pie in Boston (Roanoke) that's made from wheat flour and bear AND domestic turkey. Two of the sulphur gluttony values are in the 70s. It's way better than a meat pie made just using bear.

This system is ridiculous. If you can mix source types and have the end result be better than a single source type the possibilities for cooking are endless. There needs to be some sort of reasonable guidelines for cooking so we don't spend all our time and ingredients randomly mixing crap to see what happens.

Falken wrote:If you can mix source types and have the end result be better than a single source type the possibilities for cooking are endless.

That is kind of the point.
You don't actually have to try every combination you just have to figure out how each ingredient modifies the base recipe and then calculate which recipes with which ingredients works best for what you want.

Falken wrote:I just saw someone selling a meat pie in Boston (Roanoke) that's made from wheat flour and bear AND domestic turkey. Two of the sulphur gluttony values are in the 70s. It's way better than a meat pie made just using bear.

Feel free to buy them - there should still be some available. I have martinuzz to thank for the hint on bear/turkey, really

As a side-note, I believe the fact that turkey-bear is better than all-bear is a bug. Making pies with only bear will only apply the bear modifier once, and so mixing with turkey will create a better kind of pie (since, mathematically, i believe all matrix' determinants are > 1), depending on what you are looking for.

This is exactly why high humours are still attainable in the current system.

This is something people say is not endless, but rather say they know everything, and have it all figured out. It's not as good as purity by no means. It just allows people with high purity humus and crops to use this system to their advantage to get out even more per feeding. You still won't catch or attain high humors. High humors now are considered in excess of 500/500/500/500.

The best you can do is 5% or so purity without legacy items. That might sound okay using the best flour and cabbage for cabbage cakes. You end up having something that gives 60-80 BB. While the guy that has a 66% pure cabbage cake using the same ingredients has a cabbage cake that gives 212 BB..

Im not here to troll or bring you down, by all means play how you can and enjoy the play. I just thought you should know its not a replacement for purity.

You actually do need to take advantage of both concepts tho to give your self the maximum value. high purity low quality will not beat out low purity high quality. But rather you need a good balance.

I know that there's no substitute for purity, I just have no desire to embark on that epic grind. I'm willing to live with what tier 3 crops give me. I'll play around with the effects to see if it truly does benefit you to mix ingredient types or if this is just an aberration as Kandarim mentioned. I did buy one of yours Kandarim, for the old gluttony library

Falken wrote:This system is ridiculous. If you can mix source types and have the end result be better than a single source type the possibilities for cooking are endless. There needs to be some sort of reasonable guidelines for cooking so we don't spend all our time and ingredients randomly mixing crap to see what happens.

It's kinda the point. It's a sandbox game with a lot of depth for people who want it. You can still do just fine without the depth. If there wasn't a point to mixing and matching - 95% of the items in the game would be pointless.

sumone needs to rite a gide to wat the best foods are plz

thers no way im guna do maths or make a meet pie 1000 difrent ways just so i can have desent food to lvl up with

Stormie wrote:The best you can do is 5% or so purity without legacy items. That might sound okay using the best flour and cabbage for cabbage cakes. You end up having something that gives 60-80 BB. While the guy that has a 66% pure cabbage cake using the same ingredients has a cabbage cake that gives 212 BB..

Is there some hidden prohibition to glutton 3 of those 60-80BB cabbage cakes for some 175-225BB i should know about?

Snowpig wrote:

Stormie wrote:The best you can do is 5% or so purity without legacy items. That might sound okay using the best flour and cabbage for cabbage cakes. You end up having something that gives 60-80 BB. While the guy that has a 66% pure cabbage cake using the same ingredients has a cabbage cake that gives 212 BB..

Is there some hidden prohibition to glutton 3 of those 60-80BB cabbage cakes for some 175-225BB i should know about?

The problem is that even getting 60-80BB cabbage cakes is fairly time consuming and the tics quickly start eating up lots of your points and once you start getting invariance it gets even worse. But in the end the biggest problem with it is that you need to keep your other humours in balance with your BB and Blood and yellow bile aren't nearly as easy to get up, especially when they mostly need hunted or scavenged ingredients, which are unlikely to be a close match to your farmed ingredients. Also while 200 is a nice humour level compared to the guy with 212BB cabbage cakes its nothing.

DarkNacht wrote:The problem is that even getting 60-80BB cabbage cakes is fairly time consuming and the tics quickly start eating up lots of your points and once you start getting invariance it gets even worse.

From my own experience: You can glutton up to 4 cabbage cakes before the invariance kicks in. 4x 60-80 means 240-320 BB ...add some downward-ticks and you will land around 200-280 BB. Throw some different BB-Food in and at least BB-wise you should be able to hit 300. Sure, you need T3 grain and T3 Cabbage. But if you go seriously into farming (75-100 fields) you should literally swim in the stuff. I am a casual player (full time job with 8-12 hours a day) with 100 fields and cannot glutton all the cabbage cakes away i could produce.

DarkNacht wrote:But in the end the biggest problem with it is that you need to keep your other humours in balance with your BB and Blood and yellow bile aren't nearly as easy to get up, especially when they mostly need hunted or scavenged ingredients, which are unlikely to be a close match to your farmed ingredients. Also while 200 is a nice humour level compared to the guy with 212BB cabbage cakes its nothing.

At least up to 100-120 biles balance should not be a problem. I am around these figures and all biles are equalized. If i take in mind the numbers my T2-stuff supplies, then even 150-180 should not be a problem (0% windy pooh anyone with 120 Phlegm on sulfur event?)

And just take one thing in mind: it is virtually impossible to produce high-purity (80%++) humus anymore. This means that in the future all these high-purity foods will be used up and will vanish.