Salem

What is the benefit of having more than 5 braziers?

Could someone elaborate a bit on why and how it is useful to stack more and more braziers into an area?
And what kind of amounts should I be aiming towards?

Depends on your server. In most cases Braziers are useless if you have failed to affiliate yourself with the correct political party. That being said, it takes 15+ Braziers to reach "Full saturation" any less than that and the player will have a much easier time breaking them. The more you have passed 15 the longer the player will be under full saturation as each one he breaks won't actually be making progress to him taking less damage.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

Taking aside the chief's usual propaganda he's right. If a raider damages one of your five braziers to 50% it's out of order and only four are firing, that doesn't happen if you have more.
But there are other points, too. There could be more than one attacker, so you need more braziers to attack all of them with the maximum of five, then some of your braziers could run out of ammo and other braziers could take over and last there's always the psychological effect of having to face a wall of braziers.
Depending on the size and value of your claim (a lot of metal chests, cupboards and high purity stuff for example attracts raiders) you should add a lot more braziers, the more the better. Calculate the number of braziers it would take to build a wall around your claim and build that much braziers, then you should be on the save side. Less should probably do it, too, depending on how many enemies you have and how good the braziers are placed/general layout of your base.

jwhitehorn wrote:Depends on your server. In most cases Braziers are useless if you have failed to affiliate yourself with the correct political party. That being said, it takes 15+ Braziers to reach "Full saturation" any less than that and the player will have a much easier time breaking them. The more you have passed 15 the longer the player will be under full saturation as each one he breaks won't actually be making progress to him taking less damage.

Chief PeePooKaKa
MM Tribe

Thank you for the instructions, Chief PeePooKaKa.
Do you by any chance know how much damage a person would take from being under attack by 15 braziers?

for wrote:Taking aside the chief's usual propaganda he's right. If a raider damages one of your five braziers to 50% it's out of order and only four are firing, that doesn't happen if you have more.
But there are other points, too. There could be more than one attacker, so you need more braziers to attack all of them with the maximum of five, then some of your braziers could run out of ammo and other braziers could take over and last there's always the psychological effect of having to face a wall of braziers.
Depending on the size and value of your claim (a lot of metal chests, cupboards and high purity stuff for example attracts raiders) you should add a lot more braziers, the more the better. Calculate the number of braziers it would take to build a wall around your claim and build that much braziers, then you should be on the save side. Less should probably do it, too, depending on how many enemies you have and how good the braziers are placed/general layout of your base.

Chief said 15 braziers are required to achieve 'full saturation'. Not 5.

Good point. I was considering the amount of raiders too. So supposedly, I would need 30 braziers to achieve full saturation on 2 players. And a brazier cannot hit more than one person at a time.

ZtyX wrote:Chief said 15 braziers are required to achieve 'full saturation'. Not 5.

My number is from sevenless' beginners' guide. I never have raided anyone nor have been raided, so I cannot confirm this by personal experience.

Edit: I haven't played Salem for long, so I only have around 60 braziers for ~3000m², the defended area is only 1600m² though, the outer areas only contain low value stuff like coal clamps, but are in reach of the braziers of course. I intend to at least double that figure and build new braziers on a regular basis. My claim doesn't contain much of value, so any raider would probably lose more than he gained (braziers do permanent damage) which is the goal of my defense. I don't commit any crimes either.

for wrote:

ZtyX wrote:Chief said 15 braziers are required to achieve 'full saturation'. Not 5.

My number is from sevenless' beginners' guide. I never have raided anyone nor have been raided, so I cannot confirm this by personal experience.

Edit: I haven't played Salem for long, so I only have around 60 braziers for ~3000m², the defended area is only 1600m² though, the outer areas only contain low value stuff like coal clamps, but are in reach of the braziers of course. I intend to at least double that figure and build new braziers on a regular basis. My claim doesn't contain much of value, so any raider would probably lose more than he gained (braziers do permanent damage) which is the goal of my defense. I don't commit any crimes either.

Don't advice people then, call me maybe ?

15 braziers is certainly a decent amount, a 400ish bile char can only destroy around 3 braziers a go then.
So your base must look really ''nice'' to actually raid it, braziers deal pernament damage to your biles and you leave scents.

for wrote:

ZtyX wrote:Chief said 15 braziers are required to achieve 'full saturation'. Not 5.

My claim doesn't contain much of value, so any raider would probably lose more than he gained (braziers do permanent damage) which is the goal of my defense.

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Judaism wrote:So your base must look really ''nice'' to actually raid it, braziers deal pernament damage to your biles and you leave scents.

What do you mean by that? I was under the impression that food was neccesary only to regenerate when raiding a brazier infested area and black bile would not permanently be cut down. .. Are you saying that raiding someone will decrease your black bile permanently and you need to enter gluttony mode to raise it back up?

ZtyX wrote:

for wrote:

ZtyX wrote:Chief said 15 braziers are required to achieve 'full saturation'. Not 5.

My claim doesn't contain much of value, so any raider would probably lose more than he gained (braziers do permanent damage) which is the goal of my defense.

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Judaism wrote:So your base must look really ''nice'' to actually raid it, braziers deal pernament damage to your biles and you leave scents.

What do you mean by that? I was under the impression that food was neccesary only to regenerate when raiding a brazier infested area and black bile would not permanently be cut down. .. Are you saying that raiding someone will decrease your black bile permanently and you need to enter gluttony mode to raise it back up?

Braziers deal permanent damage to all humours.

Judaism wrote:Don't advice people then, call me maybe ?

15 braziers is certainly a decent amount, a 400ish bile char can only destroy around 3 braziers a go then.
So your base must look really ''nice'' to actually raid it, braziers deal pernament damage to your biles and you leave scents.

My advice contained a lot more than the number, for example that raiders don't need to destroy braziers in order to get them to stop firing. They have no soak value from 100%-50%, so a 400 bile character can deactivate a lot more than 3 braziers in one go and yes, I have destroyed braziers myself. Even with my 100 bile farming char it's no problem to hammer it down to 50% without food. Plus the attacker usually isn't stupid, so he will choose the side with the least braziers for his attack.

How much damage?

.. This is hard to believe. Are you kidding me? A single raid can basically gimp my character back to oblivion and I have to sit there and raise it back up with food through gluttony?