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Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:13 pm
by Victor
What is the difference between a woodworking set of about 550 WITHOUT goldleafpin
and one of 850 with goldleafpin?

Is it worth it to invest in gold leaf pins for woodworking set?

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:16 pm
by Kandarim
definitely not.
My woodworking set is just about 400 + some productivity, and i'm already hitting pretty much 100% planing rate (often I get 14-15 planed out of 16 dry boards).
I never bothered making a better set, for that reason.

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:21 pm
by Procne
Kandarim wrote:definitely not.
My woodworking set is just about 400 + some productivity, and i'm already hitting pretty much 100% planing rate (often I get 14-15 planed out of 16 dry boards).
I never bothered making a better set, for that reason.


I think you just made the mistake of saying that loud

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:43 pm
by JohnCarver
noted

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:44 pm
by Kandarim
crap

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:04 pm
by Reviresco
As a gold seller, thank you. ¦]

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:26 pm
by Taipion
Reviresco wrote:As a gold seller, thank you. ¦]


Chines gold seller confirmed, ban please! ¦]


Seriously, I got a woodworking set close to 500 total and I get 80-95% out of 40-50 boards samples, whereas I'd say the average is around 90%, that might sound high, but it still means you lose 5 out of 50 boards, and as oiling has only a 50% chance, you need to apply that recursively there getting you a total loss of nigh 20% which is 10 out of 50 boards which is something I consider quite a lot for having a decent woodworking set already.

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:40 pm
by Reviresco
Taipion wrote:
Reviresco wrote:As a gold seller, thank you. ¦]


Chines gold seller confirmed, ban please! ¦]


i have 3 gold in bar you buy?

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:53 pm
by jakhollin
Taipion wrote:
Reviresco wrote:As a gold seller, thank you. ¦]


Chines gold seller confirmed, ban please! ¦]


Seriously, I got a woodworking set close to 500 total and I get 80-95% out of 40-50 boards samples, whereas I'd say the average is around 90%, that might sound high, but it still means you lose 5 out of 50 boards, and as oiling has only a 50% chance, you need to apply that recursively there getting you a total loss of nigh 20% which is 10 out of 50 boards which is something I consider quite a lot for having a decent woodworking set already.


pretty sure that 20% number does not accurately portray the 50% chance on the oiled boards... if 10% of boards fail on the first planing out of 100 and you oil 90 board afterwards of those 90 45 must be oiled again. which means you would have a loss of 4.5 boards meaning that of the 100 boards you lost 14.5 which is a 14.5% on the optimal.... Now taking in the 50% probability (Cant remember if this is the right formula but I believe it is) .10 + .50 - .145 = .455 on worst case you keep 54.5 on best case .10 + .50 + .145 = .745 you keep 74.5% of your boards.

Re: Woodworking with and without gold leaf pin

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:02 am
by Taipion
jakhollin wrote:
Taipion wrote:
Reviresco wrote:As a gold seller, thank you. ¦]


Chines gold seller confirmed, ban please! ¦]


Seriously, I got a woodworking set close to 500 total and I get 80-95% out of 40-50 boards samples, whereas I'd say the average is around 90%, that might sound high, but it still means you lose 5 out of 50 boards, and as oiling has only a 50% chance, you need to apply that recursively there getting you a total loss of nigh 20% which is 10 out of 50 boards which is something I consider quite a lot for having a decent woodworking set already.


pretty sure that 20% number does not accurately portray the 50% chance on the oiled boards... if 10% of boards fail on the first planing out of 100 and you oil 90 board afterwards of those 90 45 must be oiled again. which means you would have a loss of 4.5 boards meaning that of the 100 boards you lost 14.5 which is a 14.5% on the optimal.... Now taking in the 50% probability (Cant remember if this is the right formula but I believe it is) .10 + .50 - .145 = .455 on worst case you keep 54.5 on best case .10 + .50 + .145 = .745 you keep 74.5% of your boards.


That is not correct, taking 10% it goes like that:
10 loss, 90 planed, => 45 oiled, 45 re-plane
4.5 loss, 40.5 planed, => 20.25 oiled, 20.25 re-plane
2.025 loss....

you see, it adds (slightly less) than half of the loss of the previous iteration, now if you know math then you see how this is similar to 2 by power of...,
whereas 2^x is exactly one more than all previous ones together, like 2^4 = 16, 2^3+2^2+2^1+2^0 = 15

Though here it s not even 1/2 but slightly less (1/2 of 90%) so you see if you start at 10% it gets close to 20% but just close.